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Speaking of PC and the UK...

Started by gleichman, July 10, 2008, 09:11:45 PM

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gleichman

Seems that kids turning down food is defined as racist. I imagine they can pass on fish and chips without comment however.

Meanwhile it appears that while offical pray in school is outlawed in the US, it's alive and well in the UK- if it's to Allah


And it's seems undergrowth is a basic human right for the UK gays. I wonder if the same can be said for straights.

Speaking of human rights, we must say the Brits are going above and beyond- protecting and rather nicely housing a poor helpless victim.

Someone please tell me these are false or overstated stories. I'd rather they not be true.




Note: I'm sure things like this can be found anywhere (Canada and the US comes to mind), but today just seems to be UK's day in the news.
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Jackalope

Quote from: gleichman;224017Seems that kids turning down food is defined as racist. I imagine they can pass on fish and chips without comment however.

I don't like Indian food.  I find a lot of the spices used cloying, and have been disappointed by Indian restaurants more often than not.  Other than the naan, I rarely enjoy much of what's served.  Apparently, this makes me racist.  I had no idea.

I like Thai a great deal, as well as Japanese and Vietnamese, but not Chinese so much.  I like American cuisine for the most part, but think it is generally pretty bland.  Too much comfort food.  My favorite regional cuisine is Greek, followed by Italian (especially real rustic style Italian cooking).  Does this make me more or less racist?

As a Seattle resident, I only trust small independent barbecue joints run by black guys with deep Southern accents.  In my experience, these guys bring the real goods.  Is that racist, or merely observant?

What if I were to suggest that someone who lumps every possible cuisine into two categories (foreign and domestic) and defines a three year old saying "Yuck." as a "racist incident" is a fucking idiot?

QuoteMeanwhile it appears that while offical pray in school is outlawed in the US, it's alive and well in the UK- if it's to Allah

This kind of shit is what happens when you get a certain breed of liberal atheists running things.  It's "racist" to say Allah is a figment of Muslims imagination (but it's rational to say Jesus is a myth), you have to "respect" foreign religions (but not your native religion) but at the same time these people don't really believe that Allah exists.  They're rational about religion, but irrational about culture.

So from their perspective, since God doesn't exist, and Allah is just a figment of another culture's imagination that needs to be patronized, these boys couldn't possibly be worried about doing some silly like explicitly violating the first commandment, they must be disrespecting a foreign religion.

QuoteAnd it's seems undergrowth is a basic human right for the UK gays. I wonder if the same can be said for straights.

That's pretty fucking dumb.
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gleichman

Here's one from the US. Seems Black Hole, Angel Food Cake and Devil Food Cake are racist.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,380143,00.html
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One Horse Town

Shit. If only we had the basic human right to bear arms, we'd all rise up and overthrow this threatening PC conspiracy. With a maccy-dee in one hand and a bargain bucket in the other we'd storm the ivory towers of these medlers and then chuck them in jail without charge for 7 years.

That'll show 'em.

Then we'd force them to eat fish and chips, read the Daily Mail, vote conservative, dammit, and give each one of them an umbrella and bowler hat that they must wear everywhere and at all times. They'll be ferried about prison in a red bus driven by beaf-eaters from the palace, have a butler (who's really an intelligence torturer) and have tea and cake each afternoon. They must use the words, "groovy, baby," "evnin' guvnor'" and "indubitably" at least once a day and whenever they have their tea and cake, they must stand, make a toast and proudly shout "God save the Queen!" The only television rights they get will be 24 hour cricket coverage and repeats of Brideshead Revisited.

Thus is the UK saved and international stereotype reinforced.

Oh, shit, forgot to get knife crime in there somewhere. Erm, anyone carrying a knife is undoubtably a darky, or perhaps welsh, and is exiled to the outer reaches of the empire - Milton Keynes. Where even national disaster won't bring the help of the government and years after the disaster, the place will still be left to rot. That'll teach them darkies, er, i mean knife crimers.

Extreme sarcasm brought to you by the letter G. :rolleyes:

Ian Absentia

You're only encouraging him, Dan, though you're not his intended target.

!i!

One Horse Town

Quote from: Ian Absentia;224087You're only encouraging him, Dan, though you're not his intended target.

!i!

I don't mind being a proxy for Balbinus for one post. :p

Can't your trusted British friend give you the inside scoop on these stories Gleichman? You'll trust their word more than anyone here.

Go ask them. It's the only way.

gleichman

Quote from: One Horse Town;224090Can't your trusted British friend give you the inside scoop on these stories Gleichman?

It will take some time for that to get back to me.
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One Horse Town

Quote from: gleichman;224096It will take some time for that to get back to me.

Bummer. It's a shame that you're having to rely on inferior information until such time as you can confirm your sources. I'd just wait until you can talk to them.

gleichman

Quote from: One Horse Town;224099Bummer. It's a shame that you're having to rely on inferior information until such time as you can confirm your sources. I'd just wait until you can talk to them.

I like other sources, I even liked Balbinus's. It's another data point.
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One Horse Town

Quote from: gleichman;224100I like other sources,

Glad to hear it. I'd wait for John Morrow's then.

Edsan

Man, news like these make me wonder if I choose the wrong country to immigrate to.

Maybe I should give Canada a try...
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Jackalope

Quote from: One Horse Town;224086Then we'd force them to eat fish and chips, read the Daily Mail, vote conservative, dammit, and give each one of them an umbrella and bowler hat that they must wear everywhere and at all times. They'll be ferried about prison in a red bus driven by beaf-eaters from the palace, have a butler (who's really an intelligence torturer) and have tea and cake each afternoon. They must use the words, "groovy, baby," "evnin' guvnor'" and "indubitably" at least once a day and whenever they have their tea and cake, they must stand, make a toast and proudly shout "God save the Queen!" The only television rights they get will be 24 hour cricket coverage and repeats of Brideshead Revisited.

Thus is the UK saved and international stereotype reinforced.

You know, oddly enough, I think that if nothing were to rise up in opposition to it, the eventual outcome of politically correct multiculturalism would be almost exactly as you just described, except it would be the "liberals" who force white British folk to act as you describe.

You take an idea like multiculturalism and use it to create policy, and you end up with situations like the City of Seattle's employee policy regarding hairstyles.  African-American women are specifically allowed to wear their hair in braids, and with ribbons or beads.  European-American women and men of any ethnicity are not allowed to wear their hair with braids, ribbons and beads.  They have to have traditional white business appropriate haircuts.

This grew out of the belief that it was racist to force African-American women to wear hairstyles appropriate for European hair in order to maintain employment with the government, which by law must be an equal opportunity employer.  

But the outcome has been quite unexpected.  Go into any large Seattle government office, and you will see many women of color -- city governments have proven to be more willing to hire women of color than the private sector -- and the vast majority of the African-American women wear their hair in traditional African styles with ribbons, beads and braids, and the white, Asian and Hispanic women wear more traditional styles.

At the same time, you have groups -- "liberals" -- asserting that a white woman wearing her hair in braids with ribbons and beads is cultural appropriation.  So the same groups demanding the right for African-American women to wear their hair in "traditionally African styles" (which mutate so much in American culture that they have hardly any connection to African traditions.  They don't, for example, use weaves in Africa) are subtly pressuring white women to cleave to white styles.

Multiculturalism is, ultimately, the antithesis of individualism.  The two are very much at odds.  Multiculturalism and "political correctness" would, if left completely unchecked would divide the world into an finite number of boxes, called "cultures", and cram everyone in the world into one of them, and then mandate that they stay there.  This in turn encourages people to not be individuals, but to become stereotypes of their culture.
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Ned the Lonely Donkey

Wow, another thread full of the crazy! You gender-free persons should really get out more (note use of non-sexist pro-noun).

Meanwhile, I'm heading down to the mosque where I'll be praying at gunpoint.

Ned
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Balbinus

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Quote from: gleichman;224017Seems that kids turning down food is defined as racist. I imagine they can pass on fish and chips without comment however.

I hadn't  heard of it, but it sounds credible, if mind blowingly stupid.  Most Brits, me included for all I'm generally quite PC, would regard this as idiotic.

I do note that the whole thing doesn't appear to be stupid, they do warn about use of racist language (though most teachers wouldn't need guidance to see that as an issue), but the food bit is dumb.

Quote from: gleichman;224017Meanwhile it appears that while offical pray in school is outlawed in the US, it's alive and well in the UK- if it's to Allah.

Again, I hadn't heard of it, sounds credible enough but it's an isolated incident which from the look of it drew general condemnation.  That said, the Daily Mail is not a trustworthy news source, the Telegraph is right wing but a serious paper, the Mail is not above omitting key facts or relevant details, I wouldn't trust anything in it.  It also specialises in tracking down often unrepresentative stories in order to create an image of Britain as a fundamentally (no pun intended) hostile place, I consider it the worst of the major British newspapers by a significant margin and the least reliable.

Quote from: gleichman;224017Speaking of human rights, we must say the Brits are going above and beyond- protecting and rather nicely housing a poor helpless victim.

That link didn't work for me, the Mail is terrible though on stories on that issue, is the chap under house arrest by any chance?  I would not trust the Mail an inch on any story relating to terror suspects or extremists, or on anything else actually.

Edit:  Got that last one, it's just a picture of the guy smiling.  What's the story?  Of course he's entitled to benefits, it would be illegal to deny them to him.  I don't see that as a PC story, or indeed a story at all.  We're a democracy, we can't abnegate people's benefits entitlements just because we don't like them.

In summary, if the Telegraph prints it it's probably true, if the Mail does it's probably intentionally distorted by the omission of key facts.

Hope that helps.

Edit 2:  I lost my comment on the gay story, that one's probably true, reading it more carefully I see it's a gay rights group arguing for the undergrowth to remain while the police and local authority regard their conduct as criminal and plainly lack sympathy with the argument.  Where's the PC bit?  Everyone except the gay rights activists want the undergrowth cut back, and reading it myself again I agree with them, it should be cut back.  I can't see a PC element to this story, it's just a story about one pressure group arguing for something which goes beyond what anyone would reasonably be inclined to grant them, to me it's a local newspaper story at best, I'm surprised it got into a national.