Quick, he outwitted us! (after a sleep to get his story straight anyhow).

Someone post that picture of the admiral from Star Wars to warn everyone that it's a trap!

Quote from: One Horse Town;224163Quick, he outwitted us! (after a sleep to get his story straight anyhow).

Someone post that picture of the admiral from Star Wars to warn everyone that it's a trap!

Why should posting some news articles to get further information (such as Balbinus gave) and people's reactions be a trap or outwitting. The purpose would seem to be clear.

Quote from: gleichman;224166Why should posting some news articles to get further information (such as Balbinus gave) and people's reactions be a trap or outwitting. The purpose would seem to be clear.

:rotfl:

I think you can see from those links that the Telegraph is the better paper, on the school for example it's clear that it's one teacher, it's not yet proven and that if true it doesn't have wider support.  It's a teacher making a (very) bad call, nothing more.

I still don't see what the actual story is on the smiling extremist.

Going back to the papers, if the Telegraph prints it I assume until I get evidence to the contrary that they have their facts right and have reported them reasonably fully albeit possibly with a slant (the Telegraph, like the Guardian, has a consistent slant which IMO is a good thing - you know where you stand).  The Mail is a hate filled rag which I regard with nothing but contempt.

Have to say Brian, it may be consistent of me, but there's nothing in those links that particularly concerns me.  A bad teacher, an overzealous pressure group, the National Children's Bureau trying to justify their existence so as to maintain their state funding (that seems the worst currently) and a total non-story.  I'm not familiar with the NCB, but hearing that yet another public sector funded body may be staffed by idiots who waste taxpayers money does not fill me with utter surprise.  Is there anywhere in the West where that isn't an issue?

Quote from: One Horse Town;224163Quick, he outwitted us! (after a sleep to get his story straight anyhow).

Someone post that picture of the admiral from Star Wars to warn everyone that it's a trap!

Here you go:

Quote from: Balbinus;224171I think you can see from those links that the Telegraph is the better paper, on the school for example it's clear that it's one teacher, it's not yet proven and that if true it doesn't have wider support.  It's a teacher making a (very) bad call, nothing more.

I got the same information from the Daily Mail link myself. I don't know why you didn't, but I find it interesting.

Quote from: Balbinus;224171Have to say Brian, it may be consistent of me, but there's nothing in those links that particularly concerns me.

Yes, I know.

Quote from: jgants;224172Here you go:

Thanks!

Quote from: gleichman;224174I got the same information from the Daily Mail link myself. I don't know why you didn't, but I find it interesting.

My visceral loathing of the Mail getting in the way I imagine.  I don't expect accuracy from it, so probably read it more quickly than the Telegraph which I have a degree of trust in (though, obviously, I'm a Guardian reader by preference).

Not just me though, the Mail does not have a good reputation for quality journalism.

Quote from: gleichman;224152In Canada the news sources that published those articles could well be brought to court for hate crimes as MacLean's was (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Steyn#Canadian_Islamic_Congress_human_rights_complaint). In the end it was a year's worth of harrasment as the case was dismiss. But that it was brought at all is frightening.

Yeah, you definitely don't want to come to Canada. Muslims and other immigrants are allowed to openly practice their religion.  Our traditions and culture are on the verge of extinction.

Quote from: gleichman;224017Someone please tell me these are false or overstated stories. I'd rather they not be true.
Note: I'm sure things like this can be found anywhere (Canada and the US comes to mind), but today just seems to be UK's day in the news.

Well, you have quoted the Telegraph, which is rather like concentrated Fox News on paper; and the other stories are from the Daily Mail, which is rather like concentrated Telegraph, without the common human decency.  The Daily Mail supported the British Union of Fascists in the 30's, and had many good things to say about both Mussolini and the German National Socialist party until about 1939.

As I understand it, their views have not drastically changed since then.

Quote from: StormBringer;224183The Daily Mail supported the British Union of Fascists in the 30's, and had many good things to say about both Mussolini and the German National Socialist party until about 1939.

As I understand it, their views have not drastically changed since then.

So did the New York Times here in the States. Support for Fascism was wide spread until the outbreak of the war.

Quote from: walkerp;224180Yeah, you definitely don't want to come to Canada. Muslims and other immigrants are allowed to openly practice their religion.  Our traditions and culture are on the verge of extinction.

Are there Muslims in Antarctica yet?  Maybe he could go there.

Quote from: StormBringer;224183Well, you have quoted the Telegraph, which is rather like concentrated Fox News on paper; and the other stories are from the Daily Mail, which is rather like concentrated Telegraph, without the common human decency.  The Daily Mail supported the British Union of Fascists in the 30's, and had many good things to say about both Mussolini and the German National Socialist party until about 1939.

As I understand it, their views have not drastically changed since then.

Neither has the readership. Read the readers letters section of the Mail. It's pure distilled xenophobia, racism and scaremongering mixed with towering arrogance and ignorance.

Quote from: gleichman;224184So did the New York Times here in the States. Support for Fascism was wide spread until the outbreak of the war.

Sure, but most papers changed their views once that outbreak had happened.

The Daily Mail, not so much.

I think StormBringer's harsh on the Telegraph though, it's right wing sure, but it does still seek to be an accurate news source.  I don't see it as any more biased than the Guardian, increasingly more lowbrow but that has nothing to do with its politics IMO and more to do with its adopting a rather iffy strategy to arrest the long-term decline in newspaper sales in the UK.

It is occasionally nicknamed the Tottygraph, though it's more usual nickname is the Torygraph.  The Guardian gets renamed the Grauniad, on account of it's penchant for unfortunate typos.

Quote from: One Horse Town;224186Neither has the readership. Read the readers letters section of the Mail. It's pure distilled xenophobia, racism and scaremongering mixed with towering arrogance and ignorance.

I sounds like the readership is Britain's version of the average O'Reilly caller, dialled up to 11.

Fox News just cloaks it by trumpeting "fair and balanced".

Of course, you would think that a news organization so dedicated to exposing 'reverse discrimination' against the downtrodden Caucasians might notice their own 'reverse yellow journalism', but I suppose after a while, the jaundice-tinting is perceived as normal by the afflicted, and they have, in fact, has always seen that way.

(EDIT:  I just had a thought about my misunderstanding:  is your last sentence referring to the Daily Mail, or the gender inclusiveness thread?    )