Quote from: signoftheserpentHow about I determine you are an idiot.

You wouldn't be the first, nor likely would you be the last. It affects me the same, either way.

I take it you have problems with people making observations and asking questions? That's very liberal of you. :haw:

Quote from: darI think it is an online phenom. I think most people on line are liberal or leaning that way.

It depends on what message boards you go to.  There are plenty of right-wing message boards and blogs out there if you look for them.

Quote from: darMost of those that are not tend to be libertarian. Thats the way it seems to me. So it's no wonder, to me, that the majority of rpg folk on line are liberal.

What sorts of message boards do you read?

You also need to remember that a lot of right-wing people learn to keep their heads down and not say anything because left-wing people can get pretty nutty and unhinged when they hear ideas that they don't like and jump straight to the ad hominem attacks and smears.  Better to just keep quiet and let them rant like loons.  I see that happen in online discussions, in social situations, and in the office.

Quote from: WerekoalaI take it you have problems with people making observations and asking questions? That's very liberal of you. :haw:

I recommend reading Thomas Sowell's book, A Conflict of Visions.  It does a pretty good job of explaining why the left has such a problem imagining anyone disagreeing with them and resort to characterizations of their enemies right out of Saturday Morning Cartoon Villain central casting.

Quote from: Old GeezerYeah, I never got that whole "profit is evil" thing either.  As a Socialist, I see the evil is not making money, but making money off someone else's labor.

What a lot of socialists and leftists don't seem to realize is that coordination, management, and organization is a form of labor, too, and that the reason why rich people invest in enterprises that employ people who don't have the money to start them themselves is in order to get a return on their investment.  

Quote from: Old GeezerAnother kark is the whole "Games are overpriced!" thing.  The value of something is what somebody is willing to pay.  If someone else is willing to buy it, the seller is pricing it right.

That's not entirely, true, either.  The value of something to the producer is determined by the cost required to produce it.  If it costs a game company more to produce a game book than they can sell it for or if people are not willing ot pay what it costs to produce, then it's not a viable business that can be sustained.  And that's why so many small game companies that produced low price books and so many hobby stores that sold games at a discount went out of business.  Many people forget that business have costs and the fact that people often can't see the effect of the labor in the product is what leads to a near universal resentment of middleman minorities, even though they provide a very useful purpose in the societies that they live in.

Quote from: John MorrowThat's not entirely, true, either.  The value of something to the producer is determined by the cost required to produce it.  If it costs a game company more to produce a game book than they can sell it for or if people are not willing ot pay what it costs to produce, then it's not a viable business that can be sustained.  And that's why so many small game companies that produced low price books and so many hobby stores that sold games at a discount went out of business.  

Exactly what I said, really.  The "Value", or, perhaps, "Market Value", of something is what someone is willing to pay for it.  If your production costs don't enable you to sell something for what someone is willing to pay for it, and you can't cut production costs, quit.

Quote from: John Morrowthe reason why rich people invest in enterprises that employ people who don't have the money to start them themselves is in order to get a return on their investment.

Which is what I object to.  No work, no money.  Period.  If you want to help a small business, make them a loan, do not parasitically suck away the worth created by the people actually working.

But I digress.

EDIT:  Purely for information, I got my MBA in 1987 from the U of MN.  It didn't take, though.  The major effect of business school for me was to turn me into a Socialist.

But that's WAY too long a story to type, or tell without beer.

Quote from: WerekoalaTopic: ARE most gamers Liberal in the modern nutcase eat-the-rich, stop having babies to save Gaia vein, or are they just more vocal about it?

data point:  in my case, both.

Though I don't have any complaints about current prices for gaming products.  Seems like the value is very high for the dollar compared to most other entertainment products.

Quote from: SpikeOh. Wow.  That was... profound.

Indeed, in direct response to the stupidity of the quote.

Quote from: WerekoalaYou wouldn't be the first, nor likely would you be the last. It affects me the same, either way.

I take it you have problems with people making observations and asking questions? That's very liberal of you. :haw:

If the sorts of observations being made amont to the sort of right wing crap one can find in the daily mail, then yes.

Quote from: John MorrowI recommend reading Thomas Sowell's book, A Conflict of Visions.  It does a pretty good job of explaining why the left has such a problem imagining anyone disagreeing with them and resort to characterizations of their enemies right out of Saturday Morning Cartoon Villain central casting.

or better yet, examine the behaviour and motiations of said enemies to understand just why we 'the left' have a problem with them as such.

You know, Werekoala, I sigged that quote on RPG.HU. It is at the same time utterly ridiculous and perfectly accurate.

I also admit to having read the thread for entertainment value. RPGNet's political dynamics is a grand example of what happens when a community becomes self-segregated to the point of delusion; in this case culminating in some ultra-leftist groupthink quite intolerant of anyone thinking differently. (A similar, but opposite clustering can be observed on the otherwise cool Knights&Knaves Alehouse, the home of Reactionary D&D players - where anything but declaring unquestioning support for Pres Bush and the American Way gets you subtly escorted out of the club.)

Captain Planet liberalism at its finest.

Yes, all this really proves is just how intensely incestuously out of touch with reality RPG.net gamers really are; their mass delusions about the most popular RPG in the world pretty much shows just how unbelievably blinded they are by wishing that reality was something other than what it was.

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Quote from: John MorrowIt depends on what message boards you go to.  There are plenty of right-wing message boards and blogs out there if you look for them.

I know, but those tend to be political from the ground up, not boards ostensibly meant for other things. Anyway, I've seen it happen over and over again, as a thing on the net becomes popular, it gets bent liberal. I think digg is the extreme example.

Quote from: John MorrorYou also need to remember that a lot of right-wing people learn to keep their heads down and not say anything because left-wing people can get pretty nutty and unhinged when they hear ideas that they don't like and jump straight to the ad hominem attacks and smears.  Better to just keep quiet and let them rant like loons.  I see that happen in online discussions, in social situations, and in the office.

Sure, you have a good point (sots, I'm looking at you). Still, I think that about the same number of liberals as conservatives (or whatever) think they are on a mission and infuse politics into every thing, even when it's utterly pointless. Seeing that the liberals tend to mob and shout down other views, well, it leads to my opinion that there are more liberals online.

Wasn't there a poll here? Didn't it come out that way on this very board?

Quote from: John MorrowYou also need to remember that a lot of right-wing people learn to keep their heads down and not say anything because left-wing people can get pretty nutty and unhinged when they hear ideas that they don't like and jump straight to the ad hominem attacks and smears.  Better to just keep quiet and let them rant like loons.  I see that happen in online discussions, in social situations, and in the office.

As a left wing person, I feel exactly the same way.  Left Pyramid because of that.

Quote from: walkerpAs a left wing person, I feel exactly the same way.  Left Pyramid because of that.

Nice to know we've got a place where we can all get together and rub elbows, or bash skulls in with baseball bats as the case may be.

I love you, man! (hugglez)