Pundy, I have new-found respect for you. I've always considered some of your political views suspect, but little did I know that, through your support of D&D, you were actually much closer to me politically than I ever knew! To wit, in this thread:

http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?t=365306&page=2

We have this quote, enthusiastically seconded many times:

"D&D is the ultimate right wing wet dream. A bunch of guys who are better than your average joe set out into the middle of nowhere where they murder and kill everything they come across in order to stockpile gold and elaborate magical bling. there are no taxes, no state and any poor people that get in your way get their village burned to the ground. It's like Ayn Rand on PCP."

Welcome, brother!

Actually, I find that the majority of RPG.netters seem to be wildly liberal and reactionary, so this point of view dosn't surprise me in the least. As I've said before, its what you get when your cross the Daily Kos with the furthest fringes of Liberal advocacy. But I repeat myself.

For that matter, based on much of the conversation there, I'm beginning to think that most of the RPG community as a whole is borderline whacko liberal, and damn proud of it.

Topic: ARE most gamers Liberal in the modern nutcase eat-the-rich, stop having babies to save Gaia vein, or are they just more vocal about it?

(note: There are elements of sarcasm in the above. It is left as an exercise to the reader to determine what they were.)

I think it is an online phenom. I think most people on line are liberal or leaning that way. Most of those that are not tend to be libertarian. Thats the way it seems to me. So it's no wonder, to me, that the majority of rpg folk on line are liberal.

Quote from: WerekoalaActually, I find that the majority of RPG.netters seem to be wildly liberal and reactionary, so this point of view dosn't surprise me in the least. As I've said before, its what you get when your cross the Daily Kos with the furthest fringes of Liberal advocacy. But I repeat myself.

For that matter, based on much of the conversation there, I'm beginning to think that most of the RPG community as a whole is borderline whacko liberal, and damn proud of it.

Topic: ARE most gamers Liberal in the modern nutcase eat-the-rich, stop having babies to save Gaia vein, or are they just more vocal about it?

(note: There are elements of sarcasm in the above. It is left as an exercise to the reader to determine what they were.)

The internet caters to the wackos from all over the spectrum, but I don't think it's heavily biased towards one particular viewpoint. That being said, RPGnet's Tangency has a noticeable left wing leaning.

Also, you have to consider that "liberal" can have a very different meaning in other countries. Here in Uruguay, a "liberal" is someone who wants free-market policies. :keke:

A) I love their idea of what a "right wing wet dream" is.
B) Have they never played in a game of D&D wherein the taxman cometh? I know I did - a lot.

SO, I'm an open Socialist, a member of the IWW, a member of RPGnet, a self-proclaimed Trotskyite, and...

... I LOVE old fashioned D&D and dungeon crawls.

So what does that mean?



(Me, I think it means that "real life" and "hobby" are two different things.)


( Naaahh.....)

Quote from: JongWKAlso, you have to consider that "liberal" can have a very different meaning in other countries. Here in Uruguay, a "liberal" is someone who wants free-market policies. :keke:

In America, referred to as the Classical Liberal - the views of which, ironically, are now associated with cold-hearted crazy right wing nut job extremists.

Quote from: Old GeezerSO, I'm an open Socialist, a member of the IWW, a member of RPGnet, a self-proclaimed Trotskyite, and...

... I LOVE old fashioned D&D and dungeon crawls.

So what does that mean?



(Me, I think it means that "real life" and "hobby" are two different things.)


( Naaahh.....)

No, it means you've been denying your true nature! You've gone as far to the left as you can to compensate for the loathing you feel when you hoard gold coins and kick beggars to the side before you burn their cattle to the ground and rape their horse!

Free yourself, brother - you've lived your life captive to a social order that denies your true calling, a lie whispered into your mind while you slept, a misguided effort to chain the savage Randian beast within!

Join us, Brother - you have nothing to lose but your chains!

Now, roll for initiative.

Quote from: JongWKAlso, you have to consider that "liberal" can have a very different meaning in other countries. Here in Uruguay, a "liberal" is someone who wants free-market policies. :keke:

That's why I specified the modern nutcase eat-the-rich, stop having babies to save Gaia leftist as opposed to clasical Liberalism.

My sense is that most RPGers who post online are anti-business social liberals. The notion that it's greedy for business to set out to make a profit seems pretty widespread. Most RPGers I've come across have a sense of entitlement about cheap or free entertainment, a tolerant attitude about pirating, and a suspicion or hostility towards the business model.

I don't know if this is a generational thing, or if RPGers are relatively poor as a group. But I know that in comparison to wargamers, RPGers are far more resentful of the people who they buy their gaming material from, and seem more alienated from mainstream political/economic culture in general.

Quote from: HaffrungMy sense is that most RPGers who post online are anti-business social liberals. The notion that it's greedy for business to set out to make a profit seems pretty widespread. Most RPGers I've come across have a sense of entitlement about cheap or free entertainment, a tolerant attitude about pirating, and a suspicion or hostility towards the business model.

I don't know if this is a generational thing, or if RPGers are relatively poor as a group. But I know that in comparison to wargamers, RPGers are far more resentful of the people who they buy their gaming material from, and seem more alienated from mainstream political/economic culture in general.

Yeah, I never got that whole "profit is evil" thing either.  As a Socialist, I see the evil is not making money, but making money off someone else's labor.  Another kark is the whole "Games are overpriced!" thing.  The value of something is what somebody is willing to pay.  If someone else is willing to buy it, the seller is pricing it right.

On a thread on this subject over at RPGnet, I responded to this attitude with

"Somebody else is willing to pay more than I am so the price stays higher than I like! Waa waa waa waa waa!"

to which someone else replied

"When the Trotskyist is making fun of you for not being able to accept the market price, you know you've made a wrong turn somewhere."

Which still makes me smile.

Quote from: WerekoalaNo, it means you've been denying your true nature! You've gone as far to the left as you can to compensate for the loathing you feel when you hoard gold coins and kick beggars to the side before you burn their cattle to the ground and rape their horse!

Free yourself, brother - you've lived your life captive to a social order that denies your true calling, a lie whispered into your mind while you slept, a misguided effort to chain the savage Randian beast within!

Join us, Brother - you have nothing to lose but your chains!

Now, roll for initiative.

Quote from: WerekoalaThat's why I specified the modern nutcase eat-the-rich, stop having babies to save Gaia leftist as opposed to clasical Liberalism.

Ah, ok. We just call them radicals.

Quote from: WerekoalaTopic: ARE most gamers Liberal in the modern nutcase eat-the-rich, stop having babies to save Gaia vein, or are they just more vocal about it?

(note: There are elements of sarcasm in the above. It is left as an exercise to the reader to determine what they were.)

How about I determine you are an idiot.

Quote from: signoftheserpentHow about I determine you are an idiot.

Oh. Wow.  That was... profound.

Quote from: Old Geezer"Somebody else is willing to pay more than I am so the price stays higher than I like! Waa waa waa waa waa!"

to which someone else replied

"When the Trotskyist is making fun of you for not being able to accept the market price, you know you've made a wrong turn somewhere."

Which still makes me smile.

I share in your smile, sir.