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I declare the swine wars to be over. We will now commence the Siege.

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phasmaphobic

#60
August 02, 2007, 05:00:42 PM
Quote from: Caesar SlaadOh, certainly. I know plenty of folks over at the forge who are very smart, creative guys who lack that arrogant air. Just like this board, it's a board of individuals. But Ron and Clinton are sort of leaders on the board, and pretty much call the shots over there, so I think that a lot of what they said gets associated with the forge (right or wrong.)

So turning that same eye back here, who are the leaders, and what are their reputations?  Pundit and VIB300s (Vitriolic Intolerance Bot 300-series) like Sett?

J Arcane

#61
August 02, 2007, 05:01:42 PM
Quote from: PseudoephedrineI find GNS and the big model (and most other RPG theory to boot) intellectually defective, and I find the proselytising really annoying, but that's about it for me. On the other hand, I find the other side to be just as intellectually dubious and their proselytising just as annoying much of the time.
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phasmaphobic

#62
August 02, 2007, 05:02:43 PM
Quote from: PseudoephedrineFolks get worked up and say some really dumb and nasty shit to one another.

That's because the Internet is Serious Business

Brantai

#63
August 02, 2007, 05:03:35 PM
Quote from: phasmaphobicSo turning that same eye back here, who are the leaders, and what are their reputations?  Pundit and VIB300s (Vitriolic Intolerance Bot 300-series) like Sett?
Pundit's certainly the most visible.  I'm not sure I'd consider Sett a leader, so much as a toady.  Kyle may or may not count as a community leader, depending on who you ask.

Caesar Slaad

#64
August 02, 2007, 05:05:09 PM
Quote from: phasmaphobicSo turning that same eye back here, who are the leaders, and what are their reputations?  Pundit and VIB300s (Vitriolic Intolerance Bot 300-series) like Sett?

I'm sure to some extent that's true, too. Again, right or wrong.

However, at the same time, is the environment of the forge such that the posters there took Ron to task there the same way that RPGPundit got taken to task here for things that he said that our out of line with the rest of the board? (I seem to remember his "culture of smoking" rant got smacked around by the natives here.)
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phasmaphobic

#65
August 02, 2007, 05:07:51 PM
Quote from: Caesar SlaadI'm sure to some extent that's true, too. Again, right or wrong.

However, at the same time, is the environment of the forge such that the posters there took Ron to task there the same way that RPGPundit got taken to task here for things that he said that our out of line with the rest of the board? (I seem to remember his "culture of smoking" rant got smacked around by the natives here.)

Honestly, I'm not sure.  I don't see much direct posting by Ron when I visit, and mostly just some really good discussions on gaming and game design, promotions of playtesting, and a tight community that sometimes gets a little more introspective about things than really needs be.  I don't see any real vitriolic stuff, though, and everyone seems to get along, even the newcomers.

They're just gamers who play different games.  OMG EVERYONE PANIC.

Pseudoephedrine

#66
August 02, 2007, 05:08:04 PM
Quote from: BrantaiPundit's certainly the most visible.  I'm not sure I'd consider Sett a leader, so much as a toady.  Kyle may or may not count as a community leader, depending on who you ask.

Kyle's a good fellow though. I find his criticisms of Forge theory to have far more bite than Pundit and Sett's because he tries to engage them in rational debate and to directly engage with what they're saying. He does the old trick of taking what the RPG theory types say more seriously than they do.

I don't think he qualifies as a community leader though.
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Brantai

#67
August 02, 2007, 05:09:42 PM
Yeah, I'm iffy on that myself.  He was attempting that whole posting manifesto a bit ago, which if it catches on certainly has the potential to vault him into the position.

Pseudoephedrine

#68
August 02, 2007, 05:12:54 PM
Phasma> The trick is that this whole "war" or whatever you want to call it is much calmer than it was a few years ago (2004-2006 seemed to be the most intense period). Even the arguments are years-old at this point. You're not going to find a ton of new material on either side right now - everyone's retreated behind their castle walls. Things are still simmering, of course.
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phasmaphobic

#69
August 02, 2007, 05:18:08 PM
Quote from: PseudoephedrineThings are still simmering, of course.

Here, definitely.  Posts like this prove that point easily.  But not so much on the Forge or Story Games.  A lot of game discussion, and SG even has some good D20 threads.  The Forge is a lot quieter these days, but the discussions do seem to be mostly about critiques, reviews, design help, and actual play.

James J Skach

#70
August 02, 2007, 05:19:04 PM
Guys...can't you see it?

"Where's the posts that cause so much hostility?  I mean it's just Ron and Clinton"

"They are just people playing other games - you're overreacting!"

"Isn't Pundit the same exact thing as Ron?"

Man...like I haven't heard this line of approach before.

This is exactlywhy Sett is wrong about Analg's direct questions threads.  I know far more about exactly where Luke stands now on GM Fiat as opposed to, say, Tony.  Whereas deal with spasmodic here is going to be boxing with shadows.
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phasmaphobic

#71
August 02, 2007, 05:24:44 PM
Quote from: James J SkachWhereas deal with spasmodic here is going to be boxing with shadows.

I am pretty good at shadow puppets.

Pseudoephedrine

#72
August 02, 2007, 05:29:29 PM
Quote from: phasmaphobicHere, definitely.  Posts like this prove that point easily.  But not so much on the Forge or Story Games.  A lot of game discussion, and SG even has some good D20 threads.  The Forge is a lot quieter these days, but the discussions do seem to be mostly about critiques, reviews, design help, and actual play.

RPG.net still shows it from time to time, though the mods' willingness to warn and ban folks who get into theory arguments keeps it below the surface these days.
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The Pernicious Light, or The Wreckers of Sword Island;
A Goblin\'s Progress, or Of Cannons and Canons;
An Oration on the Dignity of Tash, or On the Elves and Their Lies
All for S&W Complete
Playing: Dark Heresy, WFRP 2e

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phasmaphobic

#73
August 02, 2007, 05:31:32 PM
Quote from: PseudoephedrineRPG.net still shows it from time to time, though the mods' willingness to warn and ban folks who get into theory arguments keeps it below the surface these days.

I will definitely agree with you there.  RPG.net tends to be full of way more flaming garbage than Pundit could ever hope to shit out in a drunken storm of mudslinging.  I try to only go there if I absolutely have to.

David R

#74
August 02, 2007, 06:38:34 PM
Poor Pundit, in this WAR he needed a Rommel, what he got instead is a Klink.

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David R
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