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Re: Dune trailer
« Reply #15 on: September 16, 2020, 06:21:56 PM »
The mouth of the sandworm looked like a giant space anus.  This does not fill me with confidence.
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Re: Dune trailer
« Reply #16 on: September 16, 2020, 07:53:14 PM »
"Giant space anus" is exactly how I'd rate that trailer.

I expect it to be ponderous and boring, just like the director's wankass Blade Runner sequel. Yet again, nothing original, nothing bold, just paint by numbers CGI and soy-acting.

If you are a Dune fan (or scifi fan), check out Jodorowsky's Dune. His vision was so far superior. Maybe someday it will be honored with an animated version.
http://www.jodorowskysdune.com/

I wonder if the whole book will be in the movie or whether they're going to try for a LotR trilogy by making Dune 8-9 hours long? 

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Re: Dune trailer
« Reply #17 on: September 16, 2020, 09:35:29 PM »
If you are a Dune fan (or scifi fan), check out Jodorowsky's Dune. His vision was so far superior. Maybe someday it will be honored with an animated version.
http://www.jodorowskysdune.com/
That's one of the two great documentaries about the creation of a film.

The other is Lost Soul: The Doomed Journey of Richard Stanley's Island of Dr. Moreau.

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Re: Dune trailer
« Reply #18 on: September 17, 2020, 12:54:27 PM »
Was the old Dune computer game any good? I had Dune II, which was a cool strategy game (and highly influential), but my impression was that Dune I was more like an RPG?

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Re: Dune trailer
« Reply #19 on: September 17, 2020, 04:41:13 PM »
"Giant space anus" is exactly how I'd rate that trailer.

I expect it to be ponderous and boring, just like the director's wankass Blade Runner sequel. Yet again, nothing original, nothing bold, just paint by numbers CGI and soy-acting.

If you are a Dune fan (or scifi fan), check out Jodorowsky's Dune. His vision was so far superior. Maybe someday it will be honored with an animated version.
http://www.jodorowskysdune.com/

I wonder if the whole book will be in the movie or whether they're going to try for a LotR trilogy by making Dune 8-9 hours long?
OK I looked into it, and oh boy do I disagree here. I personally think science fiction goes from "hard" SF to "soft" SF to what I like to call "mushroom" SF (or simply "mushroom fiction" because there is no science in it). Jodorowsky and Moebius are the people who made me come up with the latter terms years ago (they were actually high on mushrooms when they wrote some of their stuff).

Dune, the book, to me is fairly "soft". Actual science is bent pretty strongly in Dune when it suits the story, and it can be pretty trippy, but science occasionally pops up in the discussions about problems of interstellar flight, ecosystems etc. Jodorowsky's vision is super-trippy, and probably would have looked more like 5th Element (one of the most "mushroomy" films I know, and which stole a lot from Jodorowsky). Apparently the one major element that made it from Jodorowsky's film to Lynch's version is the way Vladimir Harkonnen is portrayed, the worst part of that whole thing if you ask me. Paul wasn't supposed to be an ACTUAL messiah, but to Jodorowsky he is. Jodorowsky said he wanted to metaphorically "rape" Dune, and he was probably right.

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Re: Dune trailer
« Reply #20 on: September 17, 2020, 05:52:49 PM »
"Giant space anus" is exactly how I'd rate that trailer.

I expect it to be ponderous and boring, just like the director's wankass Blade Runner sequel. Yet again, nothing original, nothing bold, just paint by numbers CGI and soy-acting.

If you are a Dune fan (or scifi fan), check out Jodorowsky's Dune. His vision was so far superior. Maybe someday it will be honored with an animated version.
http://www.jodorowskysdune.com/

I wonder if the whole book will be in the movie or whether they're going to try for a LotR trilogy by making Dune 8-9 hours long?
OK I looked into it, and oh boy do I disagree here. I personally think science fiction goes from "hard" SF to "soft" SF to what I like to call "mushroom" SF (or simply "mushroom fiction" because there is no science in it). Jodorowsky and Moebius are the people who made me come up with the latter terms years ago (they were actually high on mushrooms when they wrote some of their stuff).

Dune, the book, to me is fairly "soft". Actual science is bent pretty strongly in Dune when it suits the story, and it can be pretty trippy, but science occasionally pops up in the discussions about problems of interstellar flight, ecosystems etc. Jodorowsky's vision is super-trippy, and probably would have looked more like 5th Element (one of the most "mushroomy" films I know, and which stole a lot from Jodorowsky). Apparently the one major element that made it from Jodorowsky's film to Lynch's version is the way Vladimir Harkonnen is portrayed, the worst part of that whole thing if you ask me. Paul wasn't supposed to be an ACTUAL messiah, but to Jodorowsky he is. Jodorowsky said he wanted to metaphorically "rape" Dune, and he was probably right.


I haven't read them, but from what I understand, Jodorowsky used his Dune adaptation ideas to create a graphic novel called "Incal". Which I much prefer. (The idea of)  I'm sure his trippy ideas are entertaining, but when I'm watching an adaptation of any material, especially one I like, I'd like to see them try to actually resemble the source material.
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Re: Dune trailer
« Reply #21 on: September 17, 2020, 07:01:18 PM »
If anyone enjoys INCAL, I highly recommend MetaBarons which is even more Dune inspired and the storyline gets insane, but wondrously done.
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/12123436-the-metabarons

OK I looked into it, and oh boy do I disagree here.
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I personally think science fiction goes from "hard" SF to "soft" SF to what I like to call "mushroom" SF (or simply "mushroom fiction" because there is no science in it). Jodorowsky and Moebius are the people who made me come up with the latter terms years ago (they were actually high on mushrooms when they wrote some of their stuff).
I absolutely agree that "Mushroom SF" is a good description of Jodorowsky, Moebius and much of Heavy Metal / Metal Hurlant. It's space fantasy with little, if any, care about the science part of science fiction.

I won't be surprised if David Lynch chomps on shrooms when doing scripts and storyboards for any of his films.


 
Jodorowsky's vision is super-trippy, and probably would have looked more like 5th Element (one of the most "mushroomy" films I know, and which stole a lot from Jodorowsky).
Visually, Valerian and City of a Thousand Planets (also by Luc Besson of 5th Element) shares elements of that "trippy scifi".

However, when reading Dune, I envisioned something far more "trippy" and fantastical than Asimov's Foundation whose setting feels far more concrete.

The trailer shows neither. It's generic modern movie scifi, only out of fear of daring to present a new vision. Even Guardians of the Galaxy and Thor: Ragnorak had the balls to step outside the lines.

At this point, I doubt we're going to get a truly original scifi vision out of Hollywood.  Maybe a Russian, Brazilian or Korean movie.
 

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Re: Dune trailer
« Reply #22 on: September 17, 2020, 07:50:43 PM »
If anyone enjoys INCAL, I highly recommend MetaBarons which is even more Dune inspired and the storyline gets insane, but wondrously done.
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/12123436-the-metabarons

OK I looked into it, and oh boy do I disagree here.
And now we must duel to the death!
 
I personally think science fiction goes from "hard" SF to "soft" SF to what I like to call "mushroom" SF (or simply "mushroom fiction" because there is no science in it). Jodorowsky and Moebius are the people who made me come up with the latter terms years ago (they were actually high on mushrooms when they wrote some of their stuff).
I absolutely agree that "Mushroom SF" is a good description of Jodorowsky, Moebius and much of Heavy Metal / Metal Hurlant. It's space fantasy with little, if any, care about the science part of science fiction.

I won't be surprised if David Lynch chomps on shrooms when doing scripts and storyboards for any of his films.


 
Jodorowsky's vision is super-trippy, and probably would have looked more like 5th Element (one of the most "mushroomy" films I know, and which stole a lot from Jodorowsky).
Visually, Valerian and City of a Thousand Planets (also by Luc Besson of 5th Element) shares elements of that "trippy scifi".

However, when reading Dune, I envisioned something far more "trippy" and fantastical than Asimov's Foundation whose setting feels far more concrete.

The trailer shows neither. It's generic modern movie scifi, only out of fear of daring to present a new vision. Even Guardians of the Galaxy and Thor: Ragnorak had the balls to step outside the lines.

At this point, I doubt we're going to get a truly original scifi vision out of Hollywood.  Maybe a Russian, Brazilian or Korean movie.
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.....uh I guess I just disagree. I got even more hyped the second time I saw the trailer. Good to know I'm not alone; some die hard Herbert fans on Youtube are going nuts. I am liking Chalamet more now that I think of it. My issue was I didn't like him in the King, but dang this is actually bringing back memories of the book pretty vividly. Still we'll see if they manage to mess up the actual movie. 

Weirdly, I think the movies that you mention are the ones that look generic to me at this point. I didn't like them at all.

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Re: Dune trailer
« Reply #23 on: September 17, 2020, 10:02:45 PM »
Weirdly, I think the movies that you mention are the ones that look generic to me at this point. I didn't like them at all.
That just proves you like wrong things!! :(

I also gave the trailer a second viewing. While the adaptation (at least what we see in the trailer) looks "faithful" to the book, it feels paint by numbers. Also, it feels small, not a galactic epic.

I'm assuming the over-reliance on voice over is just for the trailer, so I'm not judging that. I will give them credit for a trailer that (a) packs a lot of info into 3 minutes, and (b) doesn't spoil much.

Considering how few people read anymore, I do wonder if they could have hidden the fact House Atreides gets betrayed and left that as a big surprise for the audience.