Games that need a new edition

danskmacabre · August 14, 2017, 06:50:18 PM

Quote from: Voros;983172Mythras is an expanded version of RQ's system. Apparently there are light versions of RQ out there Baulderstone mentioned to me and I'm going to take a look. I was surprised how finicky RQ was as I came to it after CoC and Pendragon and was expecting something similarly light.

I quite liked MRQ2, Legend, Mythras at first. But the more I tried to play it and "Get it right", the more I realised I just didn't care for it anymore. It felt more like hard work than having fun.
It DOES feel very realistic and to me it's more of a combat simulator, as combat takes soooo long.
I get some ppl like it and it's more not to my taste than I think "It's a bad RPG"

danskmacabre · August 14, 2017, 06:52:19 PM

Quote from: Toadmaster;983177Magic World is a fantasy version of the BRP rules similar in complexity to CoC. MW was essentially the Stormbringer / Elric rules minus the license specific elements, plus some additions to make it more useful for general fantasy use.
Chaosium has chosen to focus only on CoC and RQ but print copies of MW and its one supplement Advanced Sorcery are available until the stock runs out. Chaosium says they will continue to offer the game in pdf format.

I probably will get a print copy of this at some stage, even if just to have a read.
I'll probably get the advanced sorcery book too.

I still have a fair amount of old Stormbringer stuff from very early editions of Stormbringer, which upon reflection are the versions of Stormbringer and RQ in general I prefer.

ArrozConLeche · August 14, 2017, 07:02:43 PM

Quote from: Omega;982565NONE (Well probably none. Except for that one over there that needs it. But that doesnt count)

Just reprint whats allready there.

So sick of the edition treadmill and the five year plan.

I'd like to see a re-print of Skyrealms of Jorune.

I think Cyberpunk could use a new edition too. One that goes back to the CP2020 roots.

The Exploited. · August 14, 2017, 07:15:35 PM

Quote from: Ronin;983489What you might be looking for lies here.

Thank you.

The Exploited. · August 14, 2017, 07:17:17 PM

Quote from: Voros;983172Mythras is an expanded version of RQ's system. Apparently there are light versions of RQ out there Baulderstone mentioned to me and I'm going to take a look. I was surprised how finicky RQ was as I came to it after CoC and Pendragon and was expecting something similarly light.

I prefer the new Open Quest to Mythras, to be honest. I found Mythras a bit too crunchy for my tastes but it's a good game.

SavageSchemer · August 14, 2017, 07:28:20 PM

D20 Modern/Future was especially frustrating because there was a really good idea there. You could almost see B/X style influences in it. It just couldn't shed Monte Cook's influence, and to me that's a real shame. Unfortunately I think WotC took away the wrong lessons from its failure in the market, so I think it unlikely they'll want to take another stab at it any time soon.

Pat · August 14, 2017, 09:38:35 PM

Quote from: SavageSchemer;983505D20 Modern/Future was especially frustrating because there was a really good idea there. You could almost see B/X style influences in it. It just couldn't shed Monte Cook's influence, and to me that's a real shame. Unfortunately I think WotC took away the wrong lessons from its failure in the market, so I think it unlikely they'll want to take another stab at it any time soon.

I'm curious, where do you think d20 Modern should have gone?

Llew ap Hywel · August 15, 2017, 03:28:07 AM

Quote from: Dumarest;983477I find myself wanting to like M&M (2nd edition) more than I actually do. It's sort of like Champions with simpler equations and a glossier presentation. But I just really don't like D&D mechanics very much and it seems to infect me when I look at M&M. Also it suffers from the same blandness as Hero, where it really doesn't matter what power you have so much as how many dice you roll, or how many levels of it you bought in M&M's case. It's not bad, but it just kind of sits there as my 2nd or 3rd or 4th choice for a super hero game. But still well ahead of Marvel Heroic.

Yeah it's the d20 system that really puts me off running it. I really don't need D&D in all my games.

Maybe it's me. As much as I think I want a superhero game maybe I subconsciously don't lol

Nah one day there'll be a good one.

TrippyHippy · August 15, 2017, 06:53:17 AM

Quote from: Dumarest;983477I find myself wanting to like M&M (2nd edition) more than I actually do. It's sort of like Champions with simpler equations and a glossier presentation. But I just really don't like D&D mechanics very much and it seems to infect me when I look at M&M. Also it suffers from the same blandness as Hero, where it really doesn't matter what power you have so much as how many dice you roll, or how many levels of it you bought in M&M's case. It's not bad, but it just kind of sits there as my 2nd or 3rd or 4th choice for a super hero game. But still well ahead of Marvel Heroic.

That's pretty much where I stand on M&M really (although I actually quite liked Marvel Heroic in a way - if they had kept going with the license, it may have convinced me). I struggle to like supers games though generally - Champions/HERO just looks like a massive chore to me - although I do like 2000AD, so maybe the new Judge Dredd/2000AD rpg based on the generic N.E.W. (WOIN) system may work out for me as being 'the one' I actually end up liking.

Llew ap Hywel · August 15, 2017, 07:31:43 AM

Quote from: TrippyHippy;983610That's pretty much where I stand on M&M really (although I actually quite liked Marvel Heroic in a way - if they had kept going with the license, it may have convinced me). I struggle to like supers games though generally - Champions/HERO just looks like a massive chore to me - although I do like 2000AD, so maybe the new Judge Dredd/2000AD rpg based on the generic N.E.W. (WOIN) system may work out for me as being 'the one' I actually end up liking.

Champions does look wedge like. What's WOIN like in play? My cousin is a Dredd fan so I told him about the license. Good call? Bad call?

KingCheops · August 15, 2017, 01:43:39 PM

I'd say Shadowrun but FFG Star Wars has already filled that niche better than any edition of SR ever did.

Krimson · August 15, 2017, 01:51:19 PM

Quote from: KingCheops;983837I'd say Shadowrun but FFG Star Wars has already filled that niche better than any edition of SR ever did.

I'll be keeping an eye open on the generic version of that system for sure.

Schwartzwald · August 15, 2017, 05:45:14 PM

I'd like to see a new edition of Wraethu. This time they should name the example character Darren Maclennan.

Also F.A.T.A.L. should be updated with a sample character named Darren MacLennan.

Dumarest · August 15, 2017, 05:46:23 PM

Quote from: Schwartzwald;983955I'd like to see a new edition of Wraethu. This time they should name the example character Darren Maclennan.

Also F.A.T.A.L. should be updated with a sample character named Darren MacLennan.

Stop threadcrapping.

TrippyHippy · August 16, 2017, 01:08:36 AM

Quote from: HorusArisen;983611Champions does look wedge like. What's WOIN like in play? My cousin is a Dredd fan so I told him about the license. Good call? Bad call?

I haven't played it, to be sure, but I have read it. It's basically a D6 dice pool system, although the size of the dice pool is based upon a ranking system for characteristics, skills and equipment with a cumulative cap on dice pools at set experience levels. I'm not sure why they need the ranking system, to be honest (why not just have the poolsize equate to the ranking directly?), but there may be an underlying reason for it that I haven't picked up on yet. But essentially, it seems a straightforward enough and playable system. I'm a Dredd fan too, so although I can't qualify my answer as having played it (of course the JD game isn't released yet anyway), I don't think it'll disappoint.