I hear great things about the system, but I already have 90 - 95% of the WEG Star Wars stuff and I'm missing maybe 2-3 of the SAGA edition d20 system.  I just can't justify plunking down FFG prices for a third way to play Star Wars.

With Clone Wars, Rebels, the Legacy comics, KotOR/SWTOR, and Rogue One, there's an embarrassment of riches for settings and game ideas.  I might pick up the setting neutral rule book they're working on, but I'm fine on rules for now.

Quote from: Votan;978871A rule of two just about guarantees that the Sith will fall apart, especially if one is always trying to kill the other.  A convenient death at the correct time (just after killing the master) and the whole lineage is gone (like with Return of the Jedi).  Not to mention the loss of information involved.

Just a terrible, terrible idea.

One of the things I loved about the Legacy comics was that Darth Krayt decided that unrelenting numerical inferiority sucked as a long term plan and replaced the Rule of Two with the Rule of One ... there was One Sith Order.

I miss that series.

Quote from: Votan;978871A rule of two just about guarantees that the Sith will fall apart, especially if one is always trying to kill the other.  A convenient death at the correct time (just after killing the master) and the whole lineage is gone (like with Return of the Jedi).  Not to mention the loss of information involved.

Just a terrible, terrible idea.

It's an idea that you can blow a hole through with the logic of a 4 year old.  The problem with Lucas (for a long time now) is that he's so fucking rich no one in Hollywood but Spielberg has the balls to look him in the eye and say "Dude, are you out of your goddamn mind?"

Quote from: CRKrueger;978900It's an idea that you can blow a hole through with the logic of a 4 year old.  The problem with Lucas (for a long time now) is that he's so fucking rich no one in Hollywood but Spielberg has the balls to look him in the eye and say "Dude, are you out of your goddamn mind?"

Why would they? He prints money for them.

I'd be more okay with the Rule of Two if it meant that the Sith were basically the Pope and Demipope of an organization of dark side users.  So everybody can say they are part of the Sith Order (which can maintain knowledge and be a talent pool), but the only people allowed to bear the title are the ones at the top.  Unfortunately I don't think that bears up with the way things are happening.

It should be noted that even if stuff more or less vetted by Lucas, the Rule of Two is honored more in the breach than the observance. Asajj Ventress comes to mind, there's the "Secret Apprentice" from The Force Unleashed and according to the Darth Plagueis novel--which Lucas consulted on and which was marketed as canon--Darth Plagueis is killed during Episode I.

Quote from: Votan;978871A rule of two just about guarantees that the Sith will fall apart, especially if one is always trying to kill the other.  A convenient death at the correct time (just after killing the master) and the whole lineage is gone (like with Return of the Jedi).  Not to mention the loss of information involved.

Just a terrible, terrible idea.

/Agreed. This is yet another reason why I play in the Old Republic era. None of that dumb shit was in place.

Quote from: Tait Ransom;978879I hear great things about the system, but I already have 90 - 95% of the WEG Star Wars stuff and I'm missing maybe 2-3 of the SAGA edition d20 system.  I just can't justify plunking down FFG prices for a third way to play Star Wars.

With Clone Wars, Rebels, the Legacy comics, KotOR/SWTOR, and Rogue One, there's an embarrassment of riches for settings and game ideas.  I might pick up the setting neutral rule book they're working on, but I'm fine on rules for now.

If you have all those WEG books - then yes, you have little need to pursue FFG's Star Wars game. If you're interested in checking out a different mechanical expression and you have a lot of money just... you know... laying around... then it might be worth your while (but I doubt it). Even with the setting neutral book, when it arrives, it wouldn't be worth the effort to manually convert all your WEG material over. Why bother?

The only reason I did it, was simply to see if it lived up to the reviews i'd read about it. And it largely does. PLUS I'd sold most of my WEG material. Some of which I bought BACK just for reference. There are some things FFG does better, some it doesn't. I love WEG's SW. I'll never say it's a bad system. All systems have flaws. But some systems just stand tall for what they are. D6 is one of those systems.

Quote from: tenbones;976956This is how Star Wars is for me.
https://youtu.be/NuNvCOUy1Ts

OK, now that was pretty cool.

Quote from: jeff37923;979100OK, now that was pretty cool.

So tell me that wasn't how Star Wars *should* be. Fuck all this Skywalker shit. Give me all the awesome. ALL of it. Not one tiny strain of it. Give me a Galaxy At War. Give me vast criminal cartels that rival the Empire and Republic in their own right. Give me a fully fleshed out Mandalorian tradition that is feared throughout the galaxy to which all other Bounty Hunter Syndicates aspire. Give me world-shaking technology of the precursor races that make the Death Star look like a mid-range toy. Give me AI Droid Conspiracies that are as dangerous as anything the Empire or Republic represent. Give me daring Jedi and Sith that question the fundamental politics of their Orders in light of the Force, and watch them fight titanic struggles against the great powers. YES!!!! this is what Star Wars should be. I want that!

I want it all.

Quote from: tenbones;979117So tell me that wasn't how Star Wars *should* be. Fuck all this Skywalker shit. Give me all the awesome. ALL of it. Not one tiny strain of it. Give me a Galaxy At War. Give me vast criminal cartels that rival the Empire and Republic in their own right. Give me a fully fleshed out Mandalorian tradition that is feared throughout the galaxy to which all other Bounty Hunter Syndicates aspire. Give me world-shaking technology of the precursor races that make the Death Star look like a mid-range toy. Give me AI Droid Conspiracies that are as dangerous as anything the Empire or Republic represent. Give me daring Jedi and Sith that question the fundamental politics of their Orders in light of the Force, and watch them fight titanic struggles against the great powers. YES!!!! this is what Star Wars should be. I want that!

I want it all.

So basically what Legends use to be before getting scrapped and being plagiarized to hell and back to make up for the fact that Rebels does Nothing original?

Quote from: tenbones;979117So tell me that wasn't how Star Wars *should* be. Fuck all this Skywalker shit. Give me all the awesome. ALL of it. Not one tiny strain of it. Give me a Galaxy At War. Give me vast criminal cartels that rival the Empire and Republic in their own right. Give me a fully fleshed out Mandalorian tradition that is feared throughout the galaxy to which all other Bounty Hunter Syndicates aspire. Give me world-shaking technology of the precursor races that make the Death Star look like a mid-range toy. Give me AI Droid Conspiracies that are as dangerous as anything the Empire or Republic represent. Give me daring Jedi and Sith that question the fundamental politics of their Orders in light of the Force, and watch them fight titanic struggles against the great powers. YES!!!! this is what Star Wars should be. I want that!

I want it all.

I want more.

I want there to be space for tales of the hero who isn't larger than life, but still does the right thing even though it scares him so badly that he pisses himself. I want comedy like the Tag & Bink comics series. I want horror like Red Harvest and Death Troopers.

I want more of what there is less of.

The grandiose galaxy smashing material that you so eloquently describe removes too much of the human element in my view and reduces the stories to superheroics that are hard to connect to when every main character is the Best In The Galaxy. You can overdose on wonderous spectacle in fiction or gaming just like any drug.

Quote from: Warboss Squee;979132So basically what Legends use to be before getting scrapped and being plagiarized to hell and back to make up for the fact that Rebels does Nothing original?

Pablo Hidalgo wrote for Legends, particularly for WEG, and is responsible for a lot of that "plagiarizing". He is also why we don't see fucking Gungans and Ewoks everywhere in Rebels.

Quote from: Warboss Squee;979132So basically what Legends use to be before getting scrapped and being plagiarized to hell and back to make up for the fact that Rebels does Nothing original?

  Well, parts of Legends. Other parts could be silly or repetitive, such as The Crystal Star, or the Legacy of the Force novels redoing the middle act of Episode III with Jacen while taking four novels to do it (Bloodlines, Tempest, Exile, Sacrifice).

   More seriously, Legends requires a fair bit of cherry-picking, but it's definitely a much broader canvas than the New Canon. Personally, I'd love to do some more stuff with the Tales of the Jedi era, the last pre-CW days of the Old Republic, the stuff hinted at around the edges of Dark Empire and in the text material at the back of the original TPB, and the strangeness of things like the Otherspace and DarkStryder modules, Zahn's glimpses of the Unknown Regions, and even redoing the Yuuzhan Vong.

Quote from: jeff37923;979151I want more.

I want there to be space for tales of the hero who isn't larger than life, but still does the right thing even though it scares him so badly that he pisses himself. I want comedy like the Tag & Bink comics series. I want horror like Red Harvest and Death Troopers.

I want more of what there is less of.

The grandiose galaxy smashing material that you so eloquently describe removes too much of the human element in my view and reduces the stories to superheroics that are hard to connect to when every main character is the Best In The Galaxy. You can overdose on wonderous spectacle in fiction or gaming just like any drug.

Isn't that rather easy to do? Just discount the material you don't like and make up whatever you want. That's what I do. When I play Star Wars I like to set it right after Star Wars (aka A New Hope) and disregard all other films and incorporate material from the first few years of the Marvel comics. That universe is so much better than anything George Lucas did...!

Edit: although I do like to toss in the occasional Ewok...