Quote from: Justin Alexander;976542I see that. That was basically always my vision of the period, though, so the new movies/series have mostly just confirmed the set-up more than anything else.

My favored approach for original trilogy stuff now would be "surviving Jedi on the other side of the galaxy". Galaxies are really, really big. Lots of interesting stuff happening where the movies aren't; and you can have a really interesting post-Endor transition when the Imperial forces you've been dealing with over here on the far side of the galaxy are suddenly a post-Imperial satrapy. (The Inquisitor regimes created by Rebels offer interesting possibilities here.)

I mean, I completely reject Lucas' Rule of Two nonsense to begin with. It's dumb at face value and it's even dumber in any sort of extended universe.

That is exactly how I'd do it if I wanted to skirt around movie-canon. I've considered doing a "reimagining" of the whole Star Wars setting and cherrypicking lore and ideas to use as I see fit. But I've not dedicated and real thought to it yet.

Quote from: Justin Alexander;976542I mean, I completely reject Lucas' Rule of Two nonsense to begin with. It's dumb at face value and it's even dumber in any sort of extended universe.

To mention nothing of the fact that the rule of two was broken often in spin off series. As was the jedi being exterminated. As long as people realize Lucas broke his own rules about what was canon and what wasn't; a Star Wars RPG could be wide open in any era.

Quote from: Harlock;976703To mention nothing of the fact that the rule of two was broken often in spin off series. As was the jedi being exterminated. As long as people realize Lucas broke his own rules about what was canon and what wasn't; a Star Wars RPG could be wide open in any era.

Personally I am mind-boggled when I hear people actually care and try to stay within the ever-changing "canon" of a cheesy science fantasy series. Anything outside the first three movies I really don't know or care about aside from seeing a few Rebels episodes with my son. I actually thought they took place post-Star Wars but it sounds like they take place pre-Star Wars from what I'm reading. Either way, if I'm going to play Star Wars it's going to take place after the first movie and nothing else counts except material from the first movie.

Quote from: Dumarest;976707Personally I am mind-boggled when I hear people actually care and try to stay within the ever-changing "canon" of a cheesy science fantasy series. Anything outside the first three movies I really don't know or care about aside from seeing a few Rebels episodes with my son. I actually thought they took place post-Star Wars but it sounds like they take place pre-Star Wars from what I'm reading. Either way, if I'm going to play Star Wars it's going to take place after the first movie and nothing else counts except material from the first movie.

You're on the right track. Rebels is pre-A New Hope. I don't game with people so caught up in canon they can't suspend their disbelief and enjoy a game in any era of Star Wars or any other franchise setting. "Elminster shouldn't be alive in this campaign!" says angry player.

To which snarky DM replies, "Well, magic. Now shut up and play!"

Quote from: Dumarest;976707Personally I am mind-boggled when I hear people actually care and try to stay within the ever-changing "canon" of a cheesy science fantasy series. Anything outside the first three movies I really don't know or care about aside from seeing a few Rebels episodes with my son. I actually thought they took place post-Star Wars but it sounds like they take place pre-Star Wars from what I'm reading. Either way, if I'm going to play Star Wars it's going to take place after the first movie and nothing else counts except material from the first movie.

I do not dispute the cheese. These dairy-products abound in our hobby, and in almost every setting I can think of.

HOWEVER - I will wholeheartedly disagree with you that the movie-era parameters of the SW universe is somehow qualitatively better than the Old Republic, pound-for-pound. Because anything specific to the OT you can do with ease in the vast era of the Old Republic - including completely running off doing your own thing.

You could do that too in the OT era - but the real thorn is the Jedi/Sith canon issue of that era in context, much like being a Wizard PC in the Lord of the Rings RPG(s), to the degree that you even give a nod to canon in any meaningful degree.

There is, in the Old Republic, no limit on those things. There is more infrastructure, more options as part of the conceits of the time-period than just the OT's version of the Empire and Republic. The Jedi and Sith orders are much more developed and much more established.

But I can't account for your personal tastes, I'm just talking about era's material conceits.

Quote from: tenbones;976903I do not dispute the cheese. These dairy-products abound in our hobby, and in almost every setting I can think of.

HOWEVER - I will wholeheartedly disagree with you that the movie-era parameters of the SW universe is somehow qualitatively better than the Old Republic, pound-for-pound. Because anything specific to the OT you can do with ease in the vast era of the Old Republic - including completely running off doing your own thing.

You could do that too in the OT era - but the real thorn is the Jedi/Sith canon issue of that era in context, much like being a Wizard PC in the Lord of the Rings RPG(s), to the degree that you even give a nod to canon in any meaningful degree.

There is, in the OT, no limit on those things. Quite the opposite - there is more infrastructure, more options as part of the conceits of the time-period than just the OT's version of the Empire and Republic. The Jedi and Sith orders are much more developed and much more established.

But I can't account for your personal tastes, I'm just talking about era's material conceits.

I never said one period of Star Wars was better than another so your post is you arguing with nobody. Go back and re-read what I wrote and you'll see that.

Quote from: Dumarest;976905I never said one period of Star Wars was better than another so your post is you arguing with nobody. Go back and re-read what I wrote and you'll see that.

NOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hence I said "somehow" that word connotes an acceptance that you do have an undefined preference that excludes anything outside of that preference in some degree - even if it's microbial in size.

I'm declaring my side of the microbe is, in fact, qualitatively more useful based purely on content options alone. FIGHT ME!!!!!

Quote from: tenbones;976922NOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hence I said "somehow" that word connotes an acceptance that you do have an undefined preference that excludes anything outside of that preference in some degree - even if it's microbial in size.

I'm declaring my side of the microbe is, in fact, qualitatively more useful based purely on content options alone. FIGHT ME!!!!!

I'll take you on with half my mitochondria tied behind my back!

Quote from: jeff37923;976925I'll take you on with half my mitochondria tied behind my back!

aha! that's when I invoke the Dark Side and smash my Vial of Suckitude containing my zombie-Midicholrians on the ground. Oh it's on! I play to win!!!!!

Quote from: tenbones;976922NOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hence I said "somehow" that word connotes an acceptance that you do have an undefined preference that excludes anything outside of that preference in some degree - even if it's microbial in size.

I'm declaring my side of the microbe is, in fact, qualitatively more useful based purely on content options alone. FIGHT ME!!!!!

I don't like Star Wars enough to care either way...same reason I haven't watched any of the post-1983 movies...I'm more of a pre-Star Wars-era sci fi guy. Hence my username.

EDIT: But I'm sure I could find something equally inconsequential to argue about if you want.

Quote from: Dumarest;976942 I don't like Star Wars enough to care either way...same reason I haven't watched any of the post-1983 movies...I'm more of a pre-Star Wars-era sci fi guy. Hence my username.

EDIT: But I'm sure I could find something equally inconsequential to argue about if you want.

This is how Star Wars is for me.
https://youtu.be/NuNvCOUy1Ts

Quote from: tenbones;976937aha! that's when I invoke the Dark Side and smash my Vial of Suckitude containing my zombie-Midicholrians on the ground. Oh it's on! I play to win!!!!!

Oh God! My organelles! They are on fire!

I shall cut loose with a blast of cytoplasm from my semipermiable membrane!

Oh its Thrawn! I study art and culture to win!  

Quote from: tenbones;976956This is how Star Wars is for me.
https://youtu.be/NuNvCOUy1Ts

I'll have to check that out later when I'm not at work.

As a side note I did a quick comparison between the core-books.

There is approximately 90-pages of overlap. This includes explaining the mechanics, the stats, the skills and the gear. Combat rules. And that's about it.

Book sizes are 460-pages each, not counting character-sheets. So ~370-pages of each book is original material.

Quote from: Justin Alexander;976542I mean, I completely reject Lucas' Rule of Two nonsense to begin with. It's dumb at face value and it's even dumber in any sort of extended universe.

A rule of two just about guarantees that the Sith will fall apart, especially if one is always trying to kill the other.  A convenient death at the correct time (just after killing the master) and the whole lineage is gone (like with Return of the Jedi).  Not to mention the loss of information involved.

Just a terrible, terrible idea.