Quote from: Anon Adderlan;964024It's not a matter of protecting the special snowflakes, because fuck'em. It's a matter of taking reasonable precautions in a game where players are expected to engage in problematic themes. Having too many controls is just as bad as having none at all, and too many people seem determined to pursue one of the two extremes.

OK, but what would "reasonable precautions" seem like, to you? And what would constitute "a failure to take reasonable precautions", to you?
Because if you have a game where players engage in problematic themes, statistics say that a part of the time they're not going to engage them in a way that you'd consider "sane".

Quote from: BedrockBrendan;964051Wait, so we can't play vampires now?

Apparently, but playing pirates that cut off the heads of their own cabin boys (which is the tamest thing that the example of Poison'd gameplay back on TBP had done at that table) is A-OK.

Quote from: Anon Adderlan;964024And this is why I'm worried.

It's not a matter of protecting the special snowflakes, because fuck'em. It's a matter of taking reasonable precautions in a game where players are expected to engage in problematic themes. Having too many controls is just as bad as having none at all, and too many people seem determined to pursue one of the two extremes.

How do you imagine such controls being implemented?

Quote from: Nexus;964089How do you imagine such controls being implemented?

I've wanted a lot of unreasonable things from games and game designers over these years. But more built-in protections to make sure me and my friends don't misuse the game or get into territory the designers consider immoral was never something I wanted. If people want to introduce sex into their games, I really don't see the problem (nor do I see an issue if they want to avoid it). If sexy vampires can be a problem at your table, don't play sexy vampire games.

Quote from: BedrockBrendan;964091I've wanted a lot of unreasonable things from games and game designers over these years. But more built-in protections to make sure me and my friends don't misuse the game or get into territory the designers consider immoral was never something I wanted. If people want to introduce sex into their games, I really don't see the problem (nor do I see an issue if they want to avoid it). If sexy vampires can be a problem at your table, don't play sexy vampire games.

Exalted's 'Red Rule' immediately came to mind and the fanbase's vocal negative reaction to any charms that specifically focus on sex, despite its existence which might be fueled in part by how they tend to be a little more potent due to their focus and how the Red Rule can shut them effortlessly when it comes to PCs (and NPCs thought gms are cautioned against it).

Your built-in protection from social dysfunction is the table's social pact, y'know the GM & other players? Kee-rist, have we forgotten all that is social integration within the age of the cordless phone?  Or do we blame video games? Or texting?

There's been fuck ups and squicks since children wanted to gross out each other and some came with professional level damage. You couldn't protect them then by the rules of Candyland or Bible Charades, and you sure as hell can't protect them now. I guess all we're left with is expecting people to grow the fuck up to manage their own fun, and be a fucking parent to their children if they are so worried.

Adult themes are adult, who the fuck knew? Wonder why horror had such an outré appeal, especially to children growing up. Maybe it's because they're growing up and want to peak at the forbidden to get a sense of acceptible boundaries. Good god no! I might not yet be ready to lose my infantilization of them -- how can I cloister them from reality just a few moments more!...

Are people really arguing against GM tips for issues or trouble that may come up at the table? Seems like common sense and welcome for newbies to GMing.

Quote from: Voros;964125Are people really arguing against GM tips for issues or trouble that may come up at the table? Seems like common sense and welcome for newbies to GMing.

Actually, we (or at least I) are/am not sure what Anon means, so we/I don't know whether we should argue against it;).

Quote from: Ulairi;961924Bruce Baugh is throwing a hissy fit over it. I'm going to buy the game just because of that.

Well at least some good came of it.

Quote from: Baulderstone;961931I really don't care about shit like how reading a book that isn't written in their prefered pronoun makes people like Omega suffer genitalia shrinkage from discomfort it causes to their fragile snowflake egos. Either it will be a useful book or it won't.

Sorry. I didnt know pretentious use of the female pronoun made your penis grow. But rock on man if that turns you on. :confused:

And for the record. Using all male pronoun in a game is also annoying and sloppy. (Unless your game is never meant to be played by women ever...)

Quote from: BedrockBrendan;962075Kenneth Hite's problem is he is a fully matured adult capable of separating his personal politics from the content of his entertainment and games. That and he once used the female pronoun in a book. Talk about an asshole.

Its more the writing tone and that he used the female pronoun all through the book. My irk is its just sloppy pretentious writing.

Quote from: AaronBrown99;962093He used 'she' as the default pronoun in at least one book, jarring the the flow of the text and causing his writing to lack clarity and precision. Some RPG buyers don't appreciate that kind of progressive 'point scoring', and won't buy or play games like that.

Was it point scoring? Far as I know he wasnt crowing about it or using it as a sale point so?

And actually I bought the game hence why was aware of it.

Quote from: Justin Alexander;962489A quick search of my Trail of Cthulhu PDF indicates that:

1. If there's a specific person/character being referenced, the correctly gendered pronoun is used.
2. In all non-specific cases, the pronouns are (AFAICT) randomly alternated.
3. When an example involves two non-specific people/characters, it looks like Hite will specifically use different genders for each non-specific participant to add clarity to the description.

off topic still. But... Not in my copy? The only time he uses correct gender was NPCs and I think a player? Im not going through the thing again.

Quote from: Nexus;963055Which leads us to the really important question about this new edition: Can vampires boink and enjoy it?

According to the short lived TV series... Yes? :cool:

Quote from: CRKrueger;963428Kenneth Hite is the lead designer for the new edition of Vampire...and has written some of the greatest gaming supplements in history.

Fun Fact: He also helped write Back East: The South for Deadlands which explains why the South ended slavery in Deadlands, the topic that draws Pinnacle no end of criticism, mostly from people who don't know it exists or never read it.

So is he just writing the VTM stuff? Or will he be working on the other settings too. Could be interesting to see his takes on things like Wraith or Mage for example.