Quote from: CRKrueger;943091Is it murder, racism or the combo?  Seriously asking.  

A lot of people are saying somehow Varg steps over their personal "Artistic Atrocity" line.  His murder conviction had nothing to do with race, he stabbed another white guy in the Black Metal scene, a bandmate, presumably over money or personal grudges.

You Google famous artists guilty of murder, rape, and child assault charges, it might put a hurtin' on your music, movie and book collection.  

Probably the racism over the murder, although the pointlessness and stupidity of the murder speaks for itself, but your claim that there are loads of murder and child assault charges among famous artists seems very exaggerated. Outside of Roman Polanski who have we got still living that I could contribute to their livelihood? I could care less about the music of R. Kelly or Gary Glitter. And I would be careful to not put a dime in the pocket of Phil Spector these days. Domestic abuse is much more rampant.

But that is pretty off topic. Again I said I usually draw a line between the artist and the art but it is up to everyone to decide for themselves if they want their money supporting white supremacists. It isn't some either/or situation, there are degrees. And let's face it how many would have bought this RPG if Varg wasn't an infamous racist and murderer? The idea that this mouthbreather (read and watch some interviews) could produce a well functioning and interesting fantasy RPG seems like a long shot.

Quote from: Voros;943215And let's face it how many would have bought this RPG if Varg wasn't an infamous racist and murderer? The idea that this mouthbreather (read and watch some interviews) could produce a well functioning and interesting fantasy RPG seems like a long shot.

I heard about the game first... and only heard about Varg's notoriety after some of the folks who usually make a stink about such things started making their usual stink. As for how photogenic and well-spoken he might be... well, I watched a few of his videos and, at least when just talking about games, he didn't come off any worse than most folks I see online talking about games. He certainly didn't seem any nuttier than Pundit does half the time.

There is A grade fucked up creepy shit in Hollywood, and always has been. If you live in LA for a couple years and associate with the entertainment crowd, you will hear the stories and see the broken human refuse, aka the "losers" of the Hollywood game. If you are looking for morally untainted entertainment, unplug all your screens.

My stance on the Creator vs. Creation is Live and Let Die.

If someone feels that a Creator's personal life contains aspects that make them unable to appreciate the Creation, that's fine. It's personal choice. It's freedom of expression to choose to NOT consume a product for whatever reason.

But I also stand on the reverse. It's freedom of expression to appreciate Creations from Creators with "problematic" backgrounds. And I'm not using the SJW definition of problematic, but simply using it to refer to "anything the Creator does or says that said consumer may not agree with"

....I save the "Let Die" part for those who demand THEY choose what we may decide is worth our attention and dollars.

Quote from: Spinachcat;943349There is A grade fucked up creepy shit in Hollywood, and always has been. If you live in LA for a couple years and associate with the entertainment crowd, you will hear the stories and see the broken human refuse, aka the "losers" of the Hollywood game. If you are looking for morally untainted entertainment, unplug all your screens.

Done. I haven't owned a TV in over a decade.

Quote....I save the "Let Die" part for those who demand THEY choose what we may decide is worth our attention and dollars.

Luckily no one has demanded that here; however, I reserve the right to judge people for consuming nazi propaganda.

But its nice so many posters here are bending over backwards trying to validate racist crap.

Quote from: Tristram Evans;943380I reserve the right to judge people for consuming nazi propaganda.

I have no problem with that.

We all gotta choose our stances.

Nothing I've heard about MYFROG makes me want to buy it, but nothing I've read from the OP makes me think he's a monster. I definitely get the vibe the OP isn't familiar with the wealth of retro-whatevers available online for free.

Quote from: Spinachcat;943349There is A grade fucked up creepy shit in Hollywood, and always has been. If you live in LA for a couple years and associate with the entertainment crowd, you will hear the stories and see the broken human refuse, aka the "losers" of the Hollywood game. If you are looking for morally untainted entertainment, unplug all your screens.

Silencio!

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(Llorando - Mulholland Drive)

Quote from: Spinachcat;943349If someone feels that a Creator's personal life contains aspects that make them unable to appreciate the Creation, that's fine. It's personal choice. It's freedom of expression to choose to NOT consume a product for whatever reason.

I do not care if Myaforg's writer has killed and eaten babies. I do care that his game is racist and crap. With over 1,500 published rpgs out there, there's no need to delve into basement-dwelling lonely loser neonazism to find crap games.

Would you rather Varg have made a good racist game?

Isn't it better from your perspective that Varg made a here today, gone tomorrow D&D heartbreaker?  

Maybe I am wrong (and I might be), but I get the sense from the OP that the OP isn't up on the whole RPG scene, especially the OSR.

If the poor guy had just gotten Dragon Warriors instead!!!

Again, I get the sense the OP just wanted to play old school rules in faux-Europe with faux-Norse PCs.

The problem is, that the OP is basically a person who has arrived in a swastika T-shirt to a gaming convention, and when someone finally asked from a back row, with a baffled voice "Dude, what the fuck are you wearing", he said he got it as a souvenir from a trip to Nepal, because it looked cool and he doesn't know what the problem is. And the fact, that after two beers in a tent, he starts going on how women penalties to strength are all 100% mandated because realism, and how racism is, and I quote, "one of the most frivolous charges in our modern era"...well, it literally walked in stepping like a duck, walking like a duck, and even quacking duckishly.

You can give a benefit of doubt to someone who arrives and says FATAL is a good RPG too, sure, but I'd be willing to bet on the time span necessary for when they start posting their home brew anal circumference tables.

Quote from: Spinachcat;943349There is A grade fucked up creepy shit in Hollywood, and always has been. If you live in LA for a couple years and associate with the entertainment crowd, you will hear the stories and see the broken human refuse, aka the "losers" of the Hollywood game. If you are looking for morally untainted entertainment, unplug all your screens.

I don't watch TV (I'm using it for PS4), don't watch most new movies, and so on:).
That's not because I believe Hollywood is morally bankrupt, though, I believed it even when I was watching movies. Creation vs Creator, you know?

QuoteMy stance on the Creator vs. Creation is Live and Let Die.

If someone feels that a Creator's personal life contains aspects that make them unable to appreciate the Creation, that's fine. It's personal choice. It's freedom of expression to choose to NOT consume a product for whatever reason.

Totally agree!
 

QuoteBut I also stand on the reverse. It's freedom of expression to appreciate Creations from Creators with "problematic" backgrounds. And I'm not using the SJW definition of problematic, but simply using it to refer to "anything the Creator does or says that said consumer may not agree with"

Totally agree as well!
I don't have a problem with either - I have a problem when people start judging others' moral qualities (as opposed to their EDU, INT and the like;)) on the basis of the entertainment they consume.

Quote....I save the "Let Die" part for those who demand THEY choose what we may decide is worth our attention and dollars.

I totally agree with that part as well:D!

Quote from: Rincewind1;943579You can give a benefit of doubt to someone who arrives and says FATAL is a good RPG too, sure, but I'd be willing to bet on the time span necessary for when they start posting their home brew anal circumference tables.

FATAL is a great RPG for people that want slash roleplay of the non-con variety (who might overlook the rest of the convoluted mess of a system anyway).
You'd have to wait for my homebrew anal cirumference tables a long, long time. I'm not into slash anything;).

Similarly, "the OP likes MyFrog2.6" is also statement you simplified too much by skipping the part in italics. The OP said it's a good system for playing Norse warriors because it's lethal enough and stuff. From what I gathered from the reviews, Vikernes is paying lots of attention to the whole survivalism thing, so that might also be a factor.
Str limits for women also make sense to a lot of people. Funny enough, that's not even an issue in games that separate strength from combat ability enough, but I guess not even the latest version of MyFrog has a Combativity attribute;).

Quote from: Simlasa;943321I heard about the game first... and only heard about Varg's notoriety after some of the folks who usually make a stink about such things started making their usual stink. As for how photogenic and well-spoken he might be...

He's very well known to people into metal. Since that crowd got tired of his shit and that he hasn't made a decent album since going to jail I guess this is his attempt to sucker an even more microniche subculture. I never said anything about how photogenic he is, I judge him purely on his moronic statements and actions.

Well I've been away a few days, really busy at work, and popped back in to see how the "debate" is going.  I'm glad to see some do not see me as a monster.  Oh and the charge of racism is thrown around too often and frivolously, hate to break that news to you.  The good news is, a majority of people don't give racial differences a second thought.  We are just trying to get through our day.

As for my gaming, Conan Exiles was just released and boy will that game be quite the buzz for 2017, both positive and negative.  

As for MYFAROG, I intend to run an adventure set in Robert E Howard's El Borak Afghanistan between 1904 and 1914.  Maybe I'll develop it into a full blown campaign setting, using MYFAROG's The Coming (Modern / Post Apocalypse rules).  

There are no race based attributes, just HUMAN, in the post Apocalyptic setting in MYFAROG.

Quote from: Spinachcat;942566So...MYFROG is a D&D heartbreaker written by a nasty dude, thus we must chastise and demean all who enjoy the game...even though plenty of us probably have a D&D heartbreaker or two we enjoy.

Check.

You're smarter than this. It's not a 'heartbreaker'. It's a Neo-Nazi themed RPG based on Nazi Aryan pseudo-myths, advertised as "playing according to your European heritage".  It's a load of fucking bullshit.

Quote from: RPGPundit;944044You're smarter than this. It's not a 'heartbreaker'. It's a Neo-Nazi themed RPG based on Nazi Aryan pseudo-myths, advertised as "playing according to your European heritage".  It's a load of fucking bullshit.

Steve Bannon wrote an rpg? ;-)

Quote from: Bluddworth;943647Oh and the charge of racism is thrown around too often and frivolously, hate to break that news to you.
 

Yes, you've already made that assertion. If you're not going to bother supporting it, why would we even pretend to take it seriously?