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Fantastic Monotheism

Started by PencilBoy99, November 05, 2016, 03:00:37 PM

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PencilBoy99

What detailed examples of fantasy versions of Judeo/Christian/Muslim monotheism. The only examples I can think of are:

Usires Aedeion (Tad Williams "Memory, Sorrow, and Thorn")
Church of the Unconquered Sun (Dark Albion)

Skarg

Er, how do you mean?

Tolkien's Middle Earth god structure is sort of a Christianity analog.
So is C.S. Lewis' in Narnia.

Many fantasy religions by people from Christian-origin countries end up putting some elements of Christianity in their religions. Some far more than others, of course.

daniel_ream

Karse in Lackey's Valdemar series is a thinly veiled Middle Eastern Muslim nation.
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The Butcher

ASoIaF/GoT's "Light of the Seven" (or "the Seven who are One" in the earlier books) might not quite qualify as "monotheism" (more of a Crystal Dragon Jesus thing, I'd say) but if Tolkien's cosmology merits consideration, I suppose this does too.

PencilBoy99

I will look into the Valdemar and game of thrones thing. Thanks guys!

Future Villain Band

The religions of Gene Wolfe's Book of the New Sun and Book of the Long Sun would qualify, I think.

daniel_ream

Quote from: PencilBoy99;928958I will look into the Valdemar

Save yourself the time.  I mentioned it mostly as an exception-that-proves-the-rule thing.  Like most fantasy authors Lackey doesn't believe in religion outside of a vaguely animistic spiritual New Age-y kind of thing, and she never goes into much detail about Karse's religion beyond "they treat women badly and are Evil".
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rawma

It seems to me that when monotheism shows up in a fantasy world it's usually being inherited from whatever portion of the real world it's based on; so fantasy medieval Europe gets a medieval church.

I can see several reasons why there wouldn't a lot of other good examples in outright fantasy world building: authors risk offending someone who is religious by putting (what appears to be) their real world religion in a work of fantasy; they risk offending someone who isn't religious by putting in (what appears to be) preaching a real world religion, unless the point is Christian allegory like Narnia; monotheism doesn't seem that fantastic given how big Christianity and Islam are in the real world; religion of a real world sort seems out of place in a fantasy world (whatever the cosmology, I can't recall a lot of religious practices in Middle Earth); monotheism with an active involved god often doesn't work well for fantasy, since they will just set everything right, so we end up with pantheons or at least a good versus evil Manichaeism.

Skarg

Quote from: The Butcher;928942ASoIaF/GoT's "Light of the Seven" (or "the Seven who are One" in the earlier books) might not quite qualify as "monotheism" (more of a Crystal Dragon Jesus thing, I'd say) but if Tolkien's cosmology merits consideration, I suppose this does too.
It has several parallels, though also differences. So, it seems to me, does the "Lord of Light", who like Christianity is touted as the "one true god", as people doing trial by combat, burning people at the stake, and other similarities. It's fairly interesting that GoT presents multiple rival religions which each have different Christian similarities mixed with changes, and then several other faiths, and all of their faiths are questioned yet seem to be at least partly valid.

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It was something I was very excited about doing, with Dark Albion, because having a monotheistic religion is ridiculously rare for fantasy settings allegedly based on Medieval Europe.
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In Fading Suns, there was the church of the Pancreator.

In 7th Sea, they have Catholic, Protestant, and Muslim analogues.

Dune has the Orange Catholic Bible that tries to unify religions in one.

There seem to be a lot of sci-fi monotheisms that are supposed to be what Abrahamic religions eventually turn into in the future and a lot of fantasy ones that are just Christianity or Islam with the serial numbers filed off. It's rare to see a fictional monotheism that isn't supposed to be a descendant of or substitute for Christianity. I'm sure I've seen one before but it's not coming to mind.

Armchair Gamer

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Quote from: RPGPundit;930346having a monotheistic religion is ridiculously rare for fantasy settings allegedly based on Medieval Europe.

Does that mean we Christians can scream about "cultural appropriation" and "erasure?" ;) :D

Seriously, D&D worlds that use the D&D defaults should probably look more like Nehwon or the world of Melnibone than medieval Europe or even Middle Earth. (Probably more like the Hyborian Age as well, but I haven't read enough Conan to be confident of that.)

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Quote from: RPGPundit;930346It was something I was very excited about doing, with Dark Albion, because having a monotheistic religion is ridiculously rare for fantasy settings allegedly based on Medieval Europe.

Medieval Europe is odd in that you can have monotheism with a heavy dose of polytheism just by using the Cults of the Saints. So, each Saint offers a single spell to those who venerate the Saint, as a Patron Saint, through pilgrimages or just because the Saint appeared to you in a vision. That way, you get the best of both worlds, a single religion with a lot of magical variety.

Some cults, such as Saint Brigid, cross the boundary between pagan and Christian, so some pagans worship the goddess Brigid and some Christians venerate Saint Brigid and they get similar magic from the association.
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PencilBoy99

I had forgotten about the saint thing. Weren't some of the saints co-opted things from other religions.?

hexgrid

Guy Gavriel Kay (who likes to write fantasy versions of historical events and places) has several books that feature a Christianity analog. They're all great:

The Lions of Al-Rassan
Sailing to Sarantium
Lord of Emperors
The Last Light of the Sun