Quote from: estar;919869What the story on that, I never did learn why the line died. I found a lot of use for it myself.

NM I found it myself on usenet.
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/io.games.sjg.gurps/iHKkYIFKH_A

Oh sweet Jesus, the bad memories.  Now I'm going to remember the "Fallout: A GURPS Post-nuclear Adventure" mess.  Dang you Estar, dang you to Heck!

The KS has just hit their third stretch goal, meaning a second starter dungeon in PDF for all backers at $50 or above.

Quote from: dbm;920898The KS has just hit their third stretch goal, meaning a second starter dungeon in PDF for all backers at $50 or above.

Also, they've added the Cardboard Heroes pdfs to the $250 level.

It's getting close to the next stretch goal, which will be a PDF of more magic items.

That's all fine, but I don't give a shit about pdf's for this product. I already own 10 billion pages worth of gurps writing and I never use gaming pdfs; for me, the interesting thing about this product is that it takes a step back toward the original design of TFT, with its concrete table-top board game elements. I'll get jazzed when they do more of that, a'la Ogre and Car Wars.

In the modern market place that seems to be the way to go.  Pick up and play out of the box with minimal prep.  That's probably going to build a stronger customer base if they get around to doing space opera and superheroes.  I guess that's one thing I really should say. I'm so glad they didn't use an obscure or third rate property for this.  There's great stuff out there sure but you narrow your customer base if nobody's heard of the property.

They might not achieve a million dollars but I suspect the profit margin is decent.

So this may bring us the hope GURPS fans have needed.

I suppose we all have to buy Mars Attacks and Disc World too.

Oh well.

As long as it leads to some core reprints and maybe a core book or two that would fill in the gaps.

Big books of vehicle and animal stats mostly.

I desperately want Vehicle Design but I can accept that it will be pdf or possibly spreadsheet file only.

Quote from: David Johansen;921485So this may bring us the hope GURPS fans have needed.

I suppose we all have to buy Mars Attacks and Disc World too.

Oh well.

As long as it leads to some core reprints and maybe a core book or two that would fill in the gaps.

It wasn't exactly marketing genius to have SJG telling the fans they have to pre-order these two uninspiring products (about 20 years too late for relevance) in order to get more GURPS...but I guess that's what it means to be a GURPS fan. It's better than donating due to a "Crisis of Treachery".

Disc World has a pretty huge fan base as these things go.  Maybe Mars Attacks does too.  Maybe enough fans who are just happy to get some kind of outside media support.  Though I know there are big, full color guide books to the Disc World available at the book store so that's a niche that's already filled.

Personally, a generic fantasy all in one book would have been the best solution.  Setting, rules, and all.  But Disc World is a slap stick comedy.  The stories are fun but I'm not sure I could stand more than a session or two.

Dungeon Fantasy is okay I guess.  I'd have preferred something else.  Oh well, it's an experiment.  An experiment with too many variables to clearly prove anything but there you go.

I worry that they'll say, "Well, it didn't bring in a million dollars, obviously print rpgs are dead."  I don't know where SJG's benchmarks or expectations are.  I can tell you they weren't willing to even produce this if it didn't bring in 100k.  Oh, I'm sure a pdf would have turned up eventually because the writing work was already done.

Quote from: David Johansen;921500Disc World has a pretty huge fan base as these things go.  Maybe Mars Attacks does too.

I've no interest in Disc World but Mars Attacks looks fun, especially if I can play it as an alien invasion horror game along the lines of those old 50s B-movies... in keeping with the original card series rather than Burton's comedy take on it. Probably better for a series of one-shots than a long campaign though.

Quote from: Simlasa;921513I've no interest in Disc World but Mars Attacks looks fun, especially if I can play it as an alien invasion horror game along the lines of those old 50s B-movies... in keeping with the original card series rather than Burton's comedy take on it. Probably better for a series of one-shots than a long campaign though.

Check out GURPS Atomic Horror for third edition. Its been out of print forever but you can still get the pdf I think.

I, for one, have zero interest in Discworld and only mild interest in Mars Attacks, but man, I sure would like to see some core reprints: Powers, Martial Arts, etc. Yes, I know I have their explicit permission to print my own copy via Lulu or whoever if I purchase the pdf, but that's just kind of a pain for me. And don't get me wrong, I like pdfs and all, but I don't own a tablet or anything and I can't stand trying to sit at my computer and read. I like to have pdfs (stored safely on an external hard drive) as a sort of "back up" for my books, just in case of catastrophic computer failure, house fire, crazed junkie stealing and re-selling my books for more of that sweet, sweet crack, what have you. I much prefer having a physical book in my hand. I hope that the apparent success of this kickstarter (and hopefully subsequent sales) gets them to fire up and reprint the 4e line. Or at the very least set up their own PoD system or something. I mean, they'd have hit the next stretch goal from Warehouse 23 sales just from me alone if I could order print/pdf combos of their entire 4e line, not to mention a bunch of 3e stuff I'd like to get, too.

I'd like to see an evergreen core set kept in print including the basic set, all three Tech books, Magic, Powers, Vehicles, and Martial Arts.

I wouldn't mind a restructuring where Space and Fantasy included stuff like space ships and lots of monster templates.  I'm not saying they aren't good books but when a person wants to get into GURPS and play a fantasy game they might want a FANTASY book that actually contains the things they need to play fantasy.  Space is even worse in this regard.  But a Dungeon Fantasy boxed set and Space Opera boxed set would do a lot to close that gap.

Well hopefully the three items all do well enough to show theres a string desire for printed product and new material.
But its silly to expect them to reprint old books if they cant be sure to sell enough of them to justify print runs.

Another stretch goal about to be hit, and several more announced.

And another stretch goal achieved. Just two left on the ladder.