Quote from: Doc Sammy;867927So, are there any good retro-clones of OD&D worth checking out? I know of the retro-clones but I don't know the specific details as to which clone corresponds to which edition of old-school D&D.

IMO Delving Deeper is the best one out there, although Iron Falcon is pretty sweet.

Quote from: ligedog;867918It's been a long 8 years lurking but it was totally worth it!

You've been lurking 8 years and this thread is what it took to get you to start posting. Better be careful, folks might think you are a sock puppet.:rolleyes:

Quote from: ligedog;867918The RPGSite welcomes all sorts of outlaws and renegades.

Glad to hear it!

Quote from: Chainsaw;867933Probably worth its own thread.

Check the link in my signature, fairly good place to start.

Quote from: Crimhthan;867178I will accept the first two as not new.

So you won't accept the first non-D&D RPG as being "not new"?

Quote from: Crimhthan;867984:rotfl: well if he's banned anyone on my account he has banned a lot of innocent bystanders. The last time I took a look at DF all of the troublemakers and fake old schoolers were still there. In fact it looks like the KKK of rpg forums has staged a coup and taken over since I was banned years ago. As far as sock puppets I am mighty amused that anyone seriously thinks I know enough about computers to create one. There is nothing on DF that I need to login to look at, so why bother.:thanx:

(Note - links following are just to forums like DF/TBP and a OSR blog)

Of course, you know nothing about how to register multiple identities, and yet you keep getting ejected from multiple different boards for exactly that.

Even in this last instance, it only took about an hour to follow the sock puppets.  One of your other known IDs, Helanar Frosthelm/The Perilous Dreamer (see "about me" at far right of page), also from Ohio, joined TBP in August minutes before you wanted to start pimping his/your list of clones, and the "two" of you immediately started agreeing with each other in threads (see last quote in post).

After TBP boots you for 3 months, The "HalenarTPD" identity takes up the mantle, and after your 3-month ban as Crimhthan ends, Halenar goes out in blaze of Men's Rights glory, and according to the time stamps on initial mod response and your first post here, on the same day Crimhthan comes to the RPG site.

It is noted in the bottom of that thread that there are multiple sock puppets, and if this continues, that ALL of your sock puppets other than Hal (instead of just Hal) will be banned.  The ban of Hal/TPD happens, and Crimhthan hasn't posted there since that warning to HalenarTPD was given.  Note that Crimhthan wasn't "your original account", either, so...

Time to move here as the next site to try to drum up interest in the forum that definitely "is not (your) forum, and (you) are not a mod on", and the list of retro clone games written by a guy that is in no way you, that you've never met, who lives in the same spot, plays the same games the same way, that you coincidentally never fail to pimp at every single marginally relevant opportunity.

I'm actually glad you're here because you'll enjoy the freedom of speech allowed, I think (although you may not enjoy the dog piling that comes with expressing your views in your normal fashion).  Plus, it should be amusing to see you talk to Old Geezer as if you don't already converse with him as Perilous Dreamer on ODD74.  Everybody should get to experience your schtick at least once, if for no other reason to hone their doppelganger spotting skills.

I'm just waiting for you to discover the political/social posts on Pundits board so you can participate in the conversations on social mores and morality.  As Terrell Owens would say: "better get'cher popcorn ready!" :popcorn:

The Perilous Dreamer is a cool name.

Quote from: Crimhthan;867985IMO Delving Deeper is the best one out there, although Iron Falcon is pretty sweet.

Interesting! Why do you prefer DD vs. S&W:WB?

Quote from: Justin Alexander;867990So you won't accept the first non-D&D RPG as being "not new"?

I don't care for T&T so you might say I am biased.

EOTB

According to you and by your logic every person in a thread that I agree with must be my account. To follow your logic or lack thereof I must have several hundred accounts.

As to the one link, the poster that went by Egg of Coot before he disappeared off of DF was well known to be a coward, a liar and a bully who was fond of running over people rough shod with his moderator powers at DF.

You have posted a nice little collection of lies there, but none of it is true. Also there is nothing at the blog you linked to in the "about me" section that matches up with me except the part about liking OD&D. You likely think that I make up 99% of the OD&D fans on the internet. If you are stupid enough to believe that go ahead, post all of the lies you want to, it won't make any of them true no matter how much you tell them.

You and some of the others (the fake old schoolers) from the KKK of the rpg world must be mighty jealous to spend so much of your time on me, instead of doing something useful with your lives. So go ahead and whine, it won't change the fact that you and your KKK friends are liars and cowards.

Quote from: Spinachcat;868006The Perilous Dreamer is a cool name.



Interesting! Why do you prefer DD vs. S&W:WB?

I think DD is closer to the original game and I prefer the writing style.  There are some really good cleaned up pdfs floating around of the real thing, hopefully they will continue to be fairly easy to find. I bought copies of the real thing back when they were for sale, shame they had to take them down.

It is a shame that cheap reprints of the original game are not readily available. I have looked at a lot of the clones and they are alright for someone that cannot afford a couple of hundred or more for the real thing. My biggest gripe about the clones is that they take out (clean up) all of the quirks that made OD&D so good. I suppose someone should write up a separate document of how to take your clone and add life to it by have a list of OD&D quirks to use in your clone game.  

I think the best "clones" are yet to be written.

Sock Puppetry is the ultimate RPG. You sirs have won the internet.

Quote from: JasperAK;868019Sock Puppetry is the ultimate RPG. You sirs have won the internet.

 :rotfl:     :rotfl:

Quote from: Crimhthan;868018I think DD is closer to the original game and I prefer the writing style.

I agree DD appears written "closer to the original" and I'm pretty sure that's why it didn't resonate with me like S&W:WB which FOR ME is closer to how I played OD&D over the years.

Quote from: Crimhthan;868018My biggest gripe about the clones is that they take out (clean up) all of the quirks that made OD&D so good.

What quirks do you feel are taken out?

Why do you feel the particular missing quirk made OD&D so good?

Quote from: Crimhthan;868018I suppose someone should write up a separate document of how to take your clone and add life to it by have a list of OD&D quirks to use in your clone game.

I nominate you Pikachu!!!

Seriously, you have 3000+ OD&D sessions under your belt AND you have an interest in clones so you sound like the dude for this task.

Quote from: Spinachcat;868022What quirks do you feel are taken out?

Why do you feel the particular missing quirk made OD&D so good?

What I mean is that the clones cannot copy the game word for word so when they come to anything that is "vague" or "lends itself to mulitple interpretations" they have several choices, one is to leave it out completely, two is to replace it with their own house rule, or three is to competely rewrite it to remove any doubt as to what is meant. I don't think that any of those are particulary good choices, but the OGL does not give them a good choice.

When you remove all of the places in the text that lend themselves to being taken in several different directions you are moving towards everyone playing the game the same way, which is contrary to the way OD&D was designed to be played. Every campaign was supposed to be completely different.

Quote from: Spinachcat;868022I nominate you Pikachu!!!

Racist insults??

Quote from: Spinachcat;868022Seriously, you have 3000+ OD&D sessions under your belt AND you have an interest in clones so you sound like the dude for this task.

Well maybe I will one of these days.

Quote from: Crimhthan;868009I don't care for T&T so you might say I am biased.

What does not liking it have to do with whether or not T&T it is a new game?

Quote from: JasperAK;868019Sock Puppetry is the ultimate RPG. You sirs have won the internet.

Quote from: Crimhthan;868021:rotfl:     :rotfl:

You just got permabanned on RPGnet about five minutes ago....for sock puppeting. So...