Quote from: soltakss;837518That's because it is a set of rules for black-powder games, not a source book for the Renaissance.

Anyone know why they titled it "Renaissance Deluxe" instead of something less prone to being misunderstood?

Quote from: Bren;837827Anyone know why they titled it "Renaissance Deluxe" instead of something less prone to being misunderstood?

They probably didn't anticipate this level of herpaderp from the audience.

Quote from: Warthur;837858They probably didn't anticipate this level of herpaderp from the audience.

I think it's fair to develop expectations based on a title. If I wrote a game called 'Before Columbus' that only featured rules for Native American weapons and magic... maybe some generic tribal structure... with no delineation as to which groups used what when... with barely a mention of actual native tribes, mythologies, places like Cahokia... I'm sure I'd get complaints as well.

Oooh! Better yet... write one just called 'Africa' with a random smattering of tribal weapons and rules for 'Voodoo'... no maps... and a generic 'tribe generator'. That would go over gangbusters!

Renaissance is a good book for my purposes... but I can understand some of Matt's frustration.

Bollocks. It says what it is on the website. It has an SRD you can read. There are many reviews. Do you really judge all things by their one word title?

It's almost like the word renaissance has multiple meanings!

Quote from: tzunder;837916Bollocks. It says what it is on the website. It has an SRD you can read. There are many reviews. Do you really judge all things by their one word title?

Lots of things are what their names imply... even if the menu description of a 'ham sandwich' doesn't specically mention ham it's reasonable to expect it to have a bit of ham in it.
I'm not faulting the rulebook so much as refusing to fault Matt or others who might have assumed it has more historical content than it does.

Quote from: misterguignol;837922It's almost like the word renaissance has multiple meanings!

So which one do you think this rulebook is attempting to evoke?

Quote from: Simlasa;837928So which one do you think this rulebook is attempting to evoke?

Quite possibly they are trying to evoke multiple ideas, such as:

- a system meant to bring the BRP experience to black powder-era rpgs.
- a system that is part of the "renaissance" of BRP-derived games

etc.

It seems weird to me that anyone would assume that this game is a comprehensive guide to playing games in the European Renaissance, especially since it is trivially easy to do a Google search for the game and read up on it before making a purchase.

But hey, these are gamers we're talking about, so I shouldn't be surprised at all.

I look forward to someone buying the pdf and complaining that there isn't a single line about Harlem in the whole thing!

Quote from: Warthur;837858They probably didn't anticipate this level of herpaderp from the audience.

Lack of forethought isn't a very good basis for selecting a title.

Quote from: misterguignol;837936Quite possibly they are trying to evoke multiple ideas, such as:

- a system meant to bring the BRP experience to black powder-era rpgs.
- a system that is part of the "renaissance" of BRP-derived games

The BRP renaissance idea makes sense.

QuoteIt seems weird to me that anyone would assume that this game is a comprehensive guide to playing games in the European Renaissance...

Yes that is a little weird. Equally weird is selecting a title for a black powder game that has a known historical context that doesn't actually fit the timeframe of the game. But as you say, these are gamers we are talking about, not historians.

Quote from: Bren;837938Lack of forethought isn't a very good basis for selecting a title.

Not even exceptional forethought could have predicted this level of overblown buttmad over this title. Seriously, it's like suddenly everyone forgot everything they've learned as consumers and decided to go buy this book purely on the basis of the title, without even going to the effort of reading the back cover blurb or doing any of the other due diligence about a product which you'd not only expect to have to do to work out what its deal is, but which has never been easier and more trivial to do in the history of humanity.

Anyone who buys a product based solely on the title deserves what they get, as far as I'm concerned. I have no more sympathy for anyone who feels cheated by Renaissance than I would if you thought 50 Shades of Grey was a book about monochrome hues. Particularly when there's a free SRD to look at.

Quote from: Warthur;837946Not even exceptional forethought could have predicted this level of overblown buttmad over this title.

I'm not even a little mad.

I think the title is a poor marketing choice and a little forethought would have easily predicted that an RPG named Renaissance Deluxe which features black powder weapons might be thought to be about and include information on the actual Renaissance.

Since everyone I know who actually buys RPGs has several, if not dozens of, RPGs collecting dust on their shelves (or in their e-folders), I don't get too worked up about someone spending the odd twenty bucks now and then on a game that didn't turn out to be exactly what they hoped for. On the other hand excoriating the person who does decide to complain that they didn't get what they wanted seems at least as silly and immature as does the complaint.

I'm not mad either. I just agree that the title is a bit 'off'.
The book is useful to me just as it is and I didn't want big swaths of historical detail.
I actually might have looked at it sooner if I'd known it WASN'T a full on alt-history setting. Having a free SRD is besides the point if the title has me presuming it's not what I'm looking for.

'Panty Explosion' didn't really encourage me to look closer and realize it's a take on Battle Royale... which might be why they changed the name.

Quote from: Simlasa;837960'Panty Explosion' didn't really encourage me to look closer and realize it's a take on Battle Royale... which might be why they changed the name.

Don't you mean Classroom Deathmatch (different game, same author)? Panty Explosion is supposed to be a generic anime game, while Classroom Deathmatch was meant to emulate Battle Royale

Quote from: urbwar;838029Don't you mean Classroom Deathmatch (different game, same author)? Panty Explosion is supposed to be a generic anime game, while Classroom Deathmatch was meant to emulate Battle Royale

I've never seen either one but based on what I'd read on The Miniatures Page (R.I.P.) I was under the impression they were both Battle Royale games.
Perhaps I was misinformed.

Edit: Apparently 'Panty Explosion' had it's name changed to 'Tokyo Brain Pop'... which is described as a "psychic schoolgirl adventure RPG"

Quote from: Warthur;837946Anyone who buys a product based solely on the title deserves what they get, as far as I'm concerned. I have no more sympathy for anyone who feels cheated by Renaissance than I would if you thought 50 Shades of Grey was a book about monochrome hues. Particularly when there's a free SRD to look at.

What about people who haven't actually bought a copy and still complain bitterly?

Quote from: soltakss;838040What about people who haven't actually bought a copy and still complain bitterly?

What's your point? People who haven't bought something have no right to find fault with it? Bullshit to that!
Anyway, Matt's complaint came after he looked over a borrowed copy... just as legit as Pundit's reviews of donated games.