Quote from: Dr Rotwang!;821442...or maybe they just don't like it, they have good reasons why, and it's the internet, where everyone complains.

I dunno. It could be that. Maybe not. Orange cream soda?

There is a difference between "This game just doesn't work for me" and "This game is a failure and terrible and the only reason it is selling is because of the license".

And then people using proof that people on this board tend to not like it as proof that it isn't a well liked game. Which is just hilarious. As if this forum is somehow in any way representative of the entire hobby.

Quote from: Emperor Norton;821444There is a difference between "This game just doesn't work for me" and "This game is a failure and terrible and the only reason it is selling is because of the license".

And then people using proof that people on this board tend to not like it as proof that it isn't a well liked game. Which is just hilarious. As if this forum is somehow in any way representative of the entire hobby.

Incidentamally, I'm all kindsa pro-narrative...and I wasn't impressed.

What's my opinion worth? Lots. Nothin'. Everything. Not a lot. Let FFG sell it, let people play it, everybody get down to-nite. I'm not gonna but it, I'm not gonna play it; I'm set.

Quote from: Justin Alexander;821436Yes.

In fact, you literally just admitted that the quote you claimed didn't exist did, in fact, exist. Lying doesn't actually get any more obvious than that.

You do understand that's what lying is, right? Saying things that you know aren't true?

See: This is another great example of how you're a liar.

You have literally quoted me directly responding to your claim that I'm accusing people of having badwrongfun. (Which was, it should be noted, yet another lie on your part.) You can't simply turn around and claim that I ignored it after you've already acknowledged my response to it.

you clearly misrepresented what i said. that's all there is to it and anyone able to read can see that. you can try to deflect as much as you want, but it all boils down to one issue:

Quote from: Justin Alexander;820779Like, one guy just got done saying that the secret to enjoying the system is not use it.

when you wrote that, were you referring to my post about "the secret to enjoying the system" or not?

Quote from: Alderaan Crumbs;820708there are times when we just "ditch" potential things. It's all fallen into place, but I can see the urge to wrack your brains with each roll. What I like is the option to fiddle; you don't have to all the time.

Quote from: shlominus;820720this is the secret to enjoying the system in my view.

is that the post you were referring to? hm...?

if you did,

Spoiler

you did

you clearly misrepresented what i said. there's no way around that, no matter how hard you try to keep the issue off the table. i called you out for that shit and you seem to be unable to deal with that.

all that matters is the question whether you misrepresented what i said or not. your attempts to derail the conversation away from that topic are obvious (and quite entertaining), but ultimately futile. it's irrelevant if i omitted parts of your post if these parts are not relevant to the question at hand. it's untrue that you didn't ignore the badwrognfun issue, because i brought it up again, pointing out that your original answer was bullshit and you failed to respond to that. ARGH! LYING!

you have been in deflection mode from the moment i called you out on your shit. cause for some reason "yeah, sorry, kinda misrespresented what you said there." is somehow unimaginable. :idunno:

answer the question instead of evading it constantly. did you refer to my post? get it? answer a simple question. nothing else. if, after that, you feel like embarrassing yourself even further, i'll gladly be of service. maybe you want to talk about the term "badwrongfun"? hm...?

http://wiki.rpg.net/index.php/RPG_Lexica:ABC

QuoteSaying that a game is "bad wrong fun" indicates that the game is somehow broken, unplayable, poor quality or weak - in ignorance of the fact that many groups are playing and enjoying it regularly.

but first:

answer the question!

Quote from: Alderaan Crumbsthere are times when we just "ditch" potential things. It's all fallen into place, but I can see the urge to wrack your brains with each roll. What I like is the option to fiddle; you don't have to all the time.

Quote from: shlominusthis is the secret to enjoying the system in my view.

The secret to enjoying the system is to periodically ditch parts of the system and fiddle with it until it works. Right :rolleyes:

I've nothing against the system, but that's the most retarded bit of apologism this side of Narnia.

Quote from: shlominus;821477but first:

answer the question!

I believe Dr. Rottwang already did:

Orange Cream Soda.

I play it, I like it, I'm set. Anyone who doesn't want to doesn't have to.

Quote from: Jame Rowe;821514I believe Dr. Rottwang already did:

Orange Cream Soda.

I play it, I like it, I'm set. Anyone who doesn't want to doesn't have to.

That's not at all what I meant by "Orange cream soda", but it's definitely the best way to interpret what I meant, so it's EXACTLY what I meant by "Orange cream soda". Thanks for getting what I meant, even when what I say is...umn...

Oh, and by the way, it's Rotwang!. One 't', one exclamation point. Please get that right in the future, or else I...probably nothing.

Star Wars EotE is not only better than whatever game you like it's better than any Star Wars game ever made or will ever be made.

If you don't play it, you are sexually dysfunctional, mentally deficient, and probably a smelly nerf-herder. Probably.

Also, cherry cream soda is the bomb. Like totally.

Quote from: trechriron;821529Star Wars EotE is not only better than whatever game you like it's better than any Star Wars game ever made or will ever be made.

Ha! That's funny.

QuoteIf you don't play it, you are sexually dysfunctional[...]

...you weren't there last night.

Quote[...] mentally deficient, and probably a smelly nerf-herder. Probably.

No, I...I showered this morning. Because. You know. Last night.

QuoteAlso, cherry cream soda is the bomb. Like totally.

That's good too, when you're not in the mood for an orange cream. So is Sangría Señorial. You ever have that?

Quote from: Dr Rotwang!;821530...

 That's good too, when you're not in the mood for an orange cream. So is Sangría Señorial. You ever have that?

No, but it's on the list. Where can I obtain the Senior Sangria?

Quote from: Emperor Norton;821444There is a difference between "This game just doesn't work for me" and "This game is a failure and terrible and the only reason it is selling is because of the license".

And then people using proof that people on this board tend to not like it as proof that it isn't a well liked game. Which is just hilarious. As if this forum is somehow in any way representative of the entire hobby.

You're absolutely correct when you point out that theRPGsite popularity hardly if ever maps to commercial success.

Worth pondering, though, and completely orthogonal to the issue of whether FFG SW sucks ass or rocks — does commercial success equate with your tastes?

For all my increasing skepticism towards this message board as a vehicle for meaningful discussion beyond deliberate snark, a big part of what keeps me around is that my tastes map pretty close to theRPGsite average.

To put things back on track — having never played, I'm strongly skeptical of the funny dice, not because they're proprietary (they seem easy enough to replace or emulate with common polygonal dice), but because the multiple "axes" of success/failure seem a bit overwhelming and frankly gimmicky. What was your experience?

"I was a huge fan of RPGs. Or reading their core rulebooks anyways. Not a whole lot of actual playing going on."

Thats the point I shut off the video. Told me all I needed to know.

Quote from: The Butcher;821597To put things back on track — having never played, I'm strongly skeptical of the funny dice, not because they're proprietary (they seem easy enough to replace or emulate with common polygonal dice), but because the multiple "axes" of success/failure seem a bit overwhelming and frankly gimmicky. What was your experience?

I was personally skeptical of the funny dice when I first heard about it. I actually wasn't planning on playing it at all (I had a Star Wars system I liked already). My brother picked up the starter set for EotE and ran it and... well, it stuck.

I can see though, how it isn't for everyone. Different people can grok different things at different speeds. I think they could have made the iconography a little more obvious personally (I would have gone with a Darth Vader head for despair, very very clear image of "This is the worst thing that could happen on a roll"), but most of our players were able to pick it up very fast.

I did burn out on it for a little while, but I think it had more to do with me than the system, or well, my personality combined with the system. I was trying to make sure that the advantage/disadvantage meant something on EVERY roll, and sometimes it just doesn't need to.

I think the key to the system is that if you can't think of anything relevant in a few seconds, just apply some blue or black dice to the next roll, or heal/damage some strain, and move on.

I think it can be an issue, for certain types of players/GMs, but I don't think it will happen to every person playing. Personally, I'm a fan, but you have to remember to just not brain burn yourself on trying to think up things to happen every single time. Use it in moderation. Its like the one billion AD&D rules, use them when you need them, don't when you don't.

Its a game that isn't for everyone, and honestly, I wouldn't suggest the game for most RPGSiters, I also don't think its a very good beginner's RPG, and it definitely isn't perfect (I actually have some problems with some rules completely unrelated to the dice, like how piloting a starfighter is practically suicide, which led to a lot of house ruling in my games), but I think its a solidly fun game for those who it fits, and I think the number it fits is vastly greater than some people here think.

Quote from: Dr Rotwang!;821519That's not at all what I meant by "Orange cream soda", but it's definitely the best way to interpret what I meant, so it's EXACTLY what I meant by "Orange cream soda". Thanks for getting what I meant, even when what I say is...umn...

Oh, and by the way, it's Rotwang!. One 't', one exclamation point. Please get that right in the future, or else I...probably nothing.

anyway, justin, you can keep your next witty derail to yourself. admit that you fucked up or don't, i don't care either way. i am done wasting my time with you.

Quote from: The Butcher;821597To put things back on track — having never played, I'm strongly skeptical of the funny dice, not because they're proprietary (they seem easy enough to replace or emulate with common polygonal dice), but because the multiple "axes" of success/failure seem a bit overwhelming and frankly gimmicky. What was your experience?

i felt the same way. i would suggest you try it out, if you are interested. you'll realise quickly if the system is for you or not. the key, like emperor norton said, is options. the dice offer you stuff on most rolls and you are free to use dicerolls to fuel narrative stuff, but if you don't feel like it, you can simply use them mechanically and score crits, heal strain or activate an ability from a weapon or an added effect form a skill.

it's hard to describe (a few people in this thread have said that it "just cklicked" and i know how they feel.) and i am not completely sure if i fully understand why, but the system feels like star wars.

At first I had trouble getting the dice symbols down, but once you learn the symbols the game takes on a life of its own, the different tiers of results on the dice can lead to interesting encounters on the fly, for example, you can succeed at a task , picking the security lock on the door, but also get a few threats left over in the roll, so the gm decides a silent alarm is triggered, and so a couple of Stormtroopers will soon be visiting our group of heroes, if a despair was rolled then maybe a squad of Stormtroopers happen to be behind the security locked door on cash counting detail, assuming it's a imperial pay vault, or it's a armory with weapons being cleaned. My point is the dice are story elements used to make a skill test better then pass or fail, it's a good solid system to me.

Quote from: TristramEvans;820334Unfortunately,, it was not very good. Instead of streamlining the dice system fro WH3rd, its even more clunky and has all of the weakneses I've noted in those games. The severely limited approach to the setting (essentially this is like if D&D created a separate game for each Class. EoTE is the "Rogue Class" game) and surprising lack of species to play were more than a little disappointing (yes, I guess I was spoiled by WEG's SW RPG). The book is obviously meant to be more arty than a reference manual during play (which might have been okay if it wasnt such a crunchy game that required constant reference), which was inconvenient in the least.

I shant be attempting any other games in the series.

Your experience wasn't very good. It doesn't mean the game isn't. Our group's had an incredible time with all the games for years. It sucks it didn't work for you.