Quote from: TristramEvans;820334a separate game for each Class

holy shit how could anybody have thought that was a good idea

Quote from: shlominus;820531the idea you posted results in "only reporting a binary success-fail state and the quality of that success or failure."

i fail to see the potential for narrative interpretation of the roll there. maybe i missunderstood what you meant.

what im about to say probably does not fit the system i looked at that core mechanic and decided i was not going to look through but let me give you an example

in order of most successfull to least succesfull

you pick the lock with no noise and can easily slip inside
you pick the lock but make a little noise somebody might have heard you
you pick the lock but make a lot of noise somebody is bound to have heard you
you fail to pick the lock
you fail to pick the lock and make a little noise somebody might have heard you
you fail to pick the lock and make a lot of noise somebody is bound to have heard you
you fail to pick the lock and make a lot of noise somebody is bound to have heard you and you broke your lockpick

now i will admit that with the 3rd layer there are a few more possibilities such as
you pick the lock and make a lot of noise and the chain falls on your foot injuring you
you pick the lock silently but sprain your wrist
etc

now while i will admit it does allow for things like that theres no argument there but in my opinion the few things gained from the 3rd layer aren't worth the trouble

also smells like storygame to me

Quote from: tuypo1;820570holy shit how could anybody have thought that was a good idea

Its an over exaggeration. Its more like how Rogue Trader, Dark Heresy, and Deathwatch are three games about being traders/smugglers, being inquisitors, and being Space marines, except in the case of Edge of the Empire, Age of Rebellion, and Force and Destiny, its three games about being seedy smugglers/bounty hunters/etc., being rebel soldiers fighting the empire, and being Jedi/Force Sensitives, with the added bonus that unlike the WH40K books they are compatible to play with each other.

And let's be honest here, the leading frontrunner of the the RPG world has 3 core books as well.

(And the game is entirely playable with just one core book. You can easily uses the careers and specializations in EotE to make a soldier, and you can use the force rules in it to easily create a character that can do everything Ben did with the force in Episode IV, and 95% of what Luke did throughout the movies)

Quote from: shlominus;820531the idea you posted results in "only reporting a binary success-fail state and the quality of that success or failure."

i fail to see the potential for narrative interpretation of the roll there. maybe i missunderstood what you meant.

Definitely a miscommunication, then. All I'm doing is lopping off one of the tiers and having Triumph/Despair cancel each other. So you can still get:

Succeed
Failure
Succeed-Advantage
Succeed-Threat
Failure-Advantage
Failure-Threat

You get two bits of information: One is binary success/fail. The other is good/neutral/bad, with varying degrees of good or bad.

Quote from: Emperor Norton;820600Its an over exaggeration. Its more like how Rogue Trader, Dark Heresy, and Deathwatch are three games about being traders/smugglers, being inquisitors, and being Space marines, except in the case of Edge of the Empire, Age of Rebellion, and Force and Destiny, its three games about being seedy smugglers/bounty hunters/etc., being rebel soldiers fighting the empire, and being Jedi/Force Sensitives, with the added bonus that unlike the WH40K books they are compatible to play with each other.

And let's be honest here, the leading frontrunner of the the RPG world has 3 core books as well.

(And the game is entirely playable with just one core book. You can easily uses the careers and specializations in EotE to make a soldier, and you can use the force rules in it to easily create a character that can do everything Ben did with the force in Episode IV, and 95% of what Luke did throughout the movies)

fair enough i have never read any of the 40k rpgs my only knowledge of them is the all guardsman party but i have never seen anybody complain about the split there and if there compatible thats even less likely to cause problems

Quote from: Justin Alexander;820601You get two bits of information: One is binary success/fail. The other is good/neutral/bad, with varying degrees of good or bad.

yeah, that does seem like an improvement of the original system to me.

Quote from: Emperor Norton;820509Which has jack and shit to do with what I responded to.

Except that it is what FFG Star Wars wishes it could be when it grows up.

oh snap

I've never played or even read the books but the system sounds horribly contrived.

I'm no stranger to gimmicky games (Savage Worlds fan here) but there seems to be too much going on with each dice throw.

Also, proprietary dice irk me.

I'll give it a chance if someone else's running it, but I'm not enthused with what I've been reading here and elsewhere.

do you actually need the fancy dice or can you just use a normal die with a reference of what each number equals

there are online dicerollers available for free and there's the official app for a couple of $$$.

http://angille.net/eote/

there was this sheet to create your own dice in the beta:

http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i421/thexder42x/SWDicestickers_zps4ce56750.jpg

i doubt that this is still available somehow, though.

if you are desperate you could always use this:

Quote from: shlominus;820664if you are desperate you could always use this:

Making stickers for dice is easy. Blank dice aren't cheap, but you could reuse other sets.

Or you could just man up, buy a dremel and some blanks, and learn to engrave. Expensive, but at the end of it you've got a dremel and have learnt a new skill.

Quote from: Ladybird;820667Making stickers for dice is easy. Blank dice aren't cheap, but you could reuse other sets.

Or you could just man up, buy a dremel and some blanks, and learn to engrave. Expensive, but at the end of it you've got a dremel and have learnt a new skill.

Transparent sticky labels for inkjet printers are also not colourfast, at least not with my sweaty fingers, so will need sealing with varnish.

Blank dice are more expensive than normal ones, but are pretty cheap compared to official game dice.  For the cost of a pack of 8 Saga dice, I made 40 of them, a pile of FUDGE dice, and a couple of dozen order dice for other wargames.  A pleasant evening's printing and cutting out  

I've seen some amazing homemade decals used on blank dice too.  Again, they need protecting.

You're right though - engraved and inked dice can be things of beauty.

And that is why most people would not fuck with it if it wasn't STAR WARS.

I have play as A PC 3 games of EotE and had a good time each time. The "gimmick" dice were a part of this fun. But I do not see myself gming it.