Quote from: CRKrueger;760137As opposed to the players of every other game that isn't currently being actively published?

Nah, the impression I had was that it was much the same when the game was actively being published: there was a core of people who got very, very into it but it didn't seem to get much traction beyond them. Kind of like Palladium Books; they must have a substantial and active fanbase because they're still in business and merrily putting out product, but I've literally never met a single fan of their work offline.

Quote from: CRKrueger;760211Oh how cute, you're stalking me now.

It was a legitimate question given Warthur didn't say anything that remarkable for you to get all faux enraged about. C&S is a very niche game  with very loyal fans what's wrong with that?

What I'd like to see is the new edition be OGL. It would mix nicely with Runequest (under the name of Legend) being OGL.

Quote from: Marleycat;760273It was a legitimate question given Warthur didn't say anything that remarkable for you to get all faux enraged about. C&S is a very niche game  with very loyal fans what's wrong with that?

Hon, now your trolling has become a little too obvious, anyone who's been here a while knows that if I get enraged, faux or not...

Quote from: MeAs opposed to the players of every other game that isn't currently being actively published?

...is not what that looks like.

If all you're going to do is follow every single one of my posts basically saying nothing more then "CRKrueger does not get an opinion because he disagreed with me and dammit my posts are worth more." you should at least make them not appear so pathetically transparent as such.

EDIT: Oh and to answer your question, nothing's wrong with that, but that isn't what he said, either.

Quote from: Warthur;760249there was a core of people who got very, very into it but it didn't seem to get much traction beyond them.

You realize you just defined a hobby, right?  NFL Football - there is a group of people who get very, very into it but it doesn't seem to get much traction beyond them.  Model Trains, Saltwater Fish, Cave Diving, Bow Hunting, Auto-erotic asphyxiation, etc...

Never met a gamer who played a Palladium game, where do you live?  

On the West Coast, people who were into D&D bought or read Dragon, where just about every other game company had advertisements, and those games got bought and used.  On the FGU front, I played Bushido and Villains and Vigilantes, but people played C&S.  The reason I didn't play that game was because they had too many people really playing as it was.

Compared to D&D all the FGU games were more crunchy, so they had a smaller audience, same with Rolemaster and Harnmaster, but you would be stretching to say that they had "little contact with the wider RPG community".

Of course after...
1e went OOP...
2e went OOP and company changed...
3e went OOP and company changed...
Both original authors died...
Yeah, little bit of a disconnect from the people who don't play.

Of course, people used to say the exact same thing about AD&D 1e and still do.

It isn't easy to understand a game like C&S unless you were into the scene ca. 1976-7, when D&D was starting to blow up and lots of people knew about it, and there was a big urge to make games that were intended to be direct responses to it, where one or two major things were changed to transform it in some way. This is basically where Runequest, T&T and C&S were coming from. There are now so many games and so many shades fine shades of gray that it these games just seem like part of the pointless infinitude of game design at this stage.