Quote from: YourSwordisMine;747059Even that would have been a better system than what we got...

On a sidenote, have you ever thought of a fitting alternative? I still think there's potential for a fun game in the Mouse Guard setting. Perhaps BRP or Fudge would do the trick?

Dunno the Mouse Guard source material very well, but Woodland Warriors might be a fit.

There's also the Castles & Crusades-powered Harvesters.

Quote from: YourSwordisMine;747021Mouseguard RPG

I really want to like it... I love the setting, the book is just gorgeous... But holy shit Burning Wheel (even the simplified version for Mouseguard) is utter shit... Not only that, but Luke Cranes writing makes me want to punch him... I cant explain why... IT just does...

Other than having no wish to like the game, I agree with this post.  Especially the punching.

Quote from: YourSwordisMine;747021Mouseguard RPG

I really want to like it... I love the setting, the book is just gorgeous... But holy shit Burning Wheel (even the simplified version for Mouseguard) is utter shit... Not only that, but Luke Cranes writing makes me want to punch him... I cant explain why... IT just does...

I've only read parts of Burning Wheel at my FLGS, and the tone is very much: Look at these clever mechanics. Impressive, eh? But wait, there's more. This sub-system is sublime, don't you think?

But hey, the guy knows his audience.

Quote from: Nexus;747114Sometimes they want to play more down to earth characters, just like anyone but usually, IME, they like to be sexy, powerful badasses that don't take shit from anyone (again, like the guys) as Escapism. And if presented with two images of equal equality :One of comic book Red Sonja and one Brienne from Game of Thrones as woman warriors in a setting they'd probably go more for Sonja as a basis, all things being equal though Brienne is more realistic.

When adorable girlfriend MUD'd, she played a chainmail bikini barbarian, somewhat more heavily muscled and less intelligent than Red Sonja (I played a raver Witch, who stabbed people in the face with glowsticks; Granny Weatherwax probably wouldn't approve); but over all of the games I've played, I've not really noticed female players being that different from male players in the types of character they play. Maybe it's just the people I play with. But now we're close to veering into a different subject!

Quote from: Snowman0147;747103Though yeah Ladybird I can clearly see your point and what you are coming from.  Different tastes and all.

Well, yeah. That's what this thread is about

I'm perfectly willing to tell people that I think their stuff is stupid, and why, and I'm happy to discuss it with them (Maybe I've misjudged something!); but I'm not going to go on a crusade about this, I'm content to just not buy their books, and they're presumably content to not have an unhappy customer.

Quote from: Sacrosanct;747042I have a strange affection for the d12

The nice thing about the lowly 2d6, is that the d6 is easy to come by, and that the probabilities are reasonably well known. My first d12, had a terrible casting flaw, so we could never use it, go figure.

Quote from: Silverlion;747079No energy weapons in a Sci Fi game that has other "advanced tech" which is less likely than energy weapons.  Lasers, particle beams, something. The science IS possible, the biggest hurdle is energy supply, and if you have non-natural wormhole FTL, or the equivalent, energy weapons of some form should be a given./

Your argument hits a Holtzman shield, creating a nuclear explosion. It makes sense to have few if any energy weapons in a setting that has something else to render them useless.

Quote from: Snowman0147;747135To be fair the ones in my group that do complain about women in chain mail are men.  So go figure.  I personally really don't care for cheesecake and beefcake.  It just depends on the setting and much like you I never thought it was a problem before I got online.

It generally only bugs me if it's either just blatant cheesecake (the *only* point of the image is to be sexy), or if the women are treated very differently than the men (men are shown very realistic, women are shown as eye candy).

If the armor for both sexes is unrealistic and stylized, then I can pretty well gloss over it.

Quote from: J Arcane;747140To be honest, I still to this day genuinely fail to understand the rage over dice pools.

It genuinely baffles me.

IT'S DIFFERENT AND THEREFORE BAD.

Quote from: Haffrung;747213I've only read parts of Burning Wheel at my FLGS, and the tone is very much: Look at these clever mechanics. Impressive, eh? But wait, there's more. This sub-system is sublime, don't you think?

But hey, the guy knows his audience.

Self-congratulatory info-mercial? Wow, that is pretty insufferable. Pompous salesman is a really hard look to pull off.

I thought Burning Wheel was that committee-designed 3e campaign world over at enworld.

Quote from: Ladybird;747214When adorable girlfriend MUD'd, she played a chainmail bikini barbarian, somewhat more heavily muscled and less intelligent than Red Sonja (I played a raver Witch, who stabbed people in the face with glowsticks; Granny Weatherwax probably wouldn't approve); but over all of the games I've played, I've not really noticed female players being that different from male players in the types of character they play. Maybe it's just the people I play with. But now we're close to veering into a different subject!

Well, the guys tended to play handsome, sexy characters too so there really wasn't much difference in the regard. Allot of Bishounen types if they could get away with it. Probably more escapism but most characters are in one way or another.

Quote from: thedungeondelver;747278I thought Burning Wheel was that committee-designed 3e campaign world over at enworld.

No, that was Burning Loins...

err... wait...

Burning Skies

Yeah that's it, Burning Skies

or something...

I know burning was involved... Whether or not it was the kind that needed antibiotics is up for debate...

If I was going to play a chainmail bikini type warrior, it would be an homage to Wendy O'Williams: a fierce rip your junk off type woman.

Quote from: YourSwordisMine;747308No, that was Burning Loins...

err... wait...

Burning Skies

Yeah that's it, Burning Skies

or something...

I know burning was involved... Whether or not it was the kind that needed antibiotics is up for debate...

Burning Sky, that was it.