Music doth sooth the savage beast - Lana Del Rey does it for me. Couldn't make it through that other vid though; funny story: my ex-wife was the bigger firefly fan than me, if it didn't have Morena Baccarin in it, I wouldn't have watched it.

Fun fact: what is Lana spelled backwards?

Quote from: The Traveller;707658I prefer this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-yHSaP0Dyg

They DEFINITELY don't know what a Playboy Bunny looks like.

Quote from: The Traveller;707658Seriously though this cunning plan has a shelf life, they're going to start forklifting these guys out of their parents' basements in their late thirties and early forties when the wave of heart attacks and strokes thin the herd. Fanatical MMO players will in truth be a dying breed.

"I'm not saying TTRPGs are a superior hobby to MMORPGs, I'm just saying that the people who play MMORPGs are fat fucks who live in their parents basements!"

Seriously, most of the WoW players I've met are normal everyday dudes. Its pretty mainstream. You sound completely out of touch with reality.

Quote from: Emperor Norton;707769"I'm not saying TTRPGs are a superior hobby to MMORPGs, I'm just saying that the people who play MMORPGs are fat fucks who live in their parents basements!"

Seriously, most of the WoW players I've met are normal everyday dudes. Its pretty mainstream. You sound completely out of touch with reality.

Not to mention it's the same stereotype used against TRPGS--the "living in the basement" insult started with comic and tabletop RPG geeks.  You could easily throw it back by saying "by the time those guys have their heart attacks all the tabletop people will be dead from their older ones".  The stereotype can be used on both sides--I would say TRPGs seem to suffer from that stigma more, considering mainstream society still has a stigma against tabletop RPGs as opposed to the computer ones.  How hypocritical can you get.

Honestly, TRPG vs. CRPG is kind of like comic fans attacking manga fans and vice-versa--too much virtual "DNA" is shared between the groups.  It's the equivalent of the brown bag test applied to geeks instead of blacks.  It's just embarrassing...

Quote from: Emperor Norton;707769You sound completely out of touch with reality.

Reading.

It's not hard.

Except for you.

Quote from: JRT;707798Not to mention it's the same stereotype used against TRPGS--the "living in the basement" insult started with comic and tabletop RPG geeks.  You could easily throw it back by saying "by the time those guys have their heart attacks all the tabletop people will be dead from their older ones".  The stereotype can be used on both sides--I would say TRPGs seem to suffer from that stigma more, considering mainstream society still has a stigma against tabletop RPGs as opposed to the computer ones.  How hypocritical can you get.

Honestly, TRPG vs. CRPG is kind of like comic fans attacking manga fans and vice-versa--too much virtual "DNA" is shared between the groups.  It's the equivalent of the brown bag test applied to geeks instead of blacks.  It's just embarrassing...

Jiggles, when we need commentary from the lower percentiles you'll be the first to know. Here, have a bowl of mountain dew swimming with twinkies.

Quote from: The Traveller;707849Reading.

It's not hard.

Except for you.


Jiggles, when we need commentary from the lower percentiles you'll be the first to know. Here, have a bowl of mountain dew swimming with twinkies.

Actually, most of us are having a serious conversation about the subject.  When you want to be serious instead of trolling people who don't share your opinion (and lumping them into the "enemy" camp) let us know.  I get on some level that you're trying to be sarcastic but you are failing miserably.  I think most people criticizing you just feel that kind of attitude is just embarrassing and puts you in the same camp as the supposed targets you criticize.

Quote from: JRT;707862Actually, most of us are having a serious conversation about the subject.  When you want to be serious instead of trolling people who don't share your opinion (and lumping them into the "enemy" camp) let us know.  I get that you're trying to be sarcastic but you are failing miserably.

Who was being sarcastic. You have people dying at their keyboards playing MMOs, kids getting deep vein thrombosis. What en missed in his sideswipe was the word "fanatical". You'd better believe fanatical players are going to suffer major health complications in later life, many of them already are.

Of course while you're busy being offended, 99.999% of MMO players are not fanatical. They would be normal, with a diverse variety of interests and hobbies. But people like you and brad shrieking as loudly as you can is going to get the attention of quite a few of them with any luck, and given the general social chops of fanatical MMO players I'm betting it will be positive attention too.

Quote from: The Traveller;707863Who was being sarcastic. You have people dying at their keyboards playing MMOs, kids getting deep vein thrombosis. What en missed in his sideswipe was the word "fanatical". You'd better believe fanatical players are going to suffer major health complications in later life, many of them already are.

Of course while you're busy being offended, 99.999% of MMO players are not fanatical. They would be normal, with a diverse variety of interests and hobbies. But people like you and brad shrieking as loudly as you can is going to get the attention of quite a few of them with any luck, and given the general social chops of fanatical MMO players I'm betting it will be positive attention too.

Keep choking that chicken, Charlie.

I gave you the straight dope, pointed you to events that happened last weekend that further shows you that what I told you is true, and you're going on like it was all Greek.  Dude, if your claim was true this massive overlap would have shown itself now; the offerings were made, overtures made, campaigns of awareness waged and they failed like the Romans at Cannae.

You're not going to get enough of them to make it worth your while.  If you ignore my report, then you too will fail and when you do I will take great glee in saying "I told you so."

These are very different media, with very different appeals, that satisfy very different desires.  You are outright ignoring this difference.  I don't play any TRPG for the same reason as I do Guild Wars 2, World of Warcraft, Final Fantasy (whatever the fuck it is this week), Diablo 3, Realm of Exile, or even the Assassin's Creed series.  What TRPGs offer is something that no CRPG, no MMO and no console or PC action/adventure game (where AC sits) offers (or, for that matter, what any medium of passive storytelling offers): to live another life, immersed in another milieu (and damn if that is not the best word for it), where I am neither pawn nor protagonist, making the best life I can given what resources I have at my disposal to achieve my goals in this campaign (whatever it may be).  That's one of the reasons I call TRPGs a Life-Experience Medium, closer to history than literature, as seen through a wargaming interface.

Now do you see?  The folks I talk to, play with, etc. in the MMOs and CRPGs (etc.) have no interest in any of this and they are well-aware that this exists.  Zero fucks given, both by what you erroneously label "fanatical" as well as by what you (ditto) call "normal", because this is not what they want out of a RPG.

Quote from: Bradford C. Walker;707869Zero fucks given, both by what you erroneously label "fanatical" as well as by what you (ditto) call "normal"

Do you even understand what you're typing here?

Quote from: The Traveller;707882Do you even understand what you're typing here?

The easiest way to find out whether we're blowing smoke up our asses is to go create a WoW account --they're free up to L20-- and go proselytize.  Then report back on your findings.

Quote from: flyerfan1991;707899The easiest way to find out whether we're blowing smoke up our asses is to go create a WoW account --they're free up to L20-- and go proselytize.  Then report back on your findings.

Pointless, as I've said earlier it would need something like the guys behind D&D to send out a press release, or Onyx Path or someone like that. I'll send out a few emails when I get the chance to compose my thoughts a bit better. Not that there's a whole lot to it, it's just common sense really.

Which makes the reactions from the straight-dope-talkin'-expert ninja-MMOers even funnier and more telling, and I'll let viewers make what they will of those reactions. I'm suprised nobody's challenged me to a fist fight yet.

Quote from: The Traveller;707909Pointless, as I've said earlier it would need something like the guys behind D&D to send out a press release, or Onyx Path or someone like that. I'll send out a few emails when I get the chance to compose my thoughts a bit better. Not that there's a whole lot to it, it's just common sense really.

Which makes the reactions from the straight-dope-talkin'-expert ninja-MMOers even funnier and more telling, and I'll let viewers make what they will of those reactions. I'm suprised nobody's challenged me to a fist fight yet.

In other words, you don't think talking to MMO players to get a "come to Jesus" moment will do any good, so what makes you think that marketers would be willing to spend money on that project?

Quote from: The Traveller;707882Do you even understand what you're typing here?

Far better than you do.

Quote from: The Traveller;707909Pointless, as I've said earlier it would need something like the guys behind D&D to send out a press release, or Onyx Path or someone like that. I'll send out a few emails when I get the chance to compose my thoughts a bit better. Not that there's a whole lot to it, it's just common sense really.

Which makes the reactions from the straight-dope-talkin'-expert ninja-MMOers even funnier and more telling, and I'll let viewers make what they will of those reactions. I'm suprised nobody's challenged me to a fist fight yet.

WOTC did target MMO players back when 3.X was a thing.  They failed.

Quote from: Bradford C. Walker;707971WOTC did target MMO players back when 3.X was a thing.  They failed.

Correct.  Which lead to the dev of 4E as a P&P computer game.