We extrapolated rules from FATAL, the RPG netbook of sex, and several OGL sources to fine tune our house rules regarding sex. Sex is as intricate as combat with critical and fumble tables, chance for pregnancy, menstruation, STDs, erectile dysfunction, good/bad performance, and satisfaction (measured in "humping points").

Sexual encounters are broken up into "moments" which comprise 6 seconds of "action". Various maneuvers are detailed, with players in full tactical control of their characters faculties or facilities as the case may be.

Additional rules include inebriation from various substances, bondage and sadism effects, effects of grooming  and accoutrements on appearance, and of course dancing. Which can be surprisingly sexual (and can draw sexual encounters out, so I caution against overuse...).

XP can be earned in session via sexual encounters for a myriad number of things, one of which I can't get into too much detail about, but involves pudding. Flavors generally have no impact on XP award however.

So, in summary, sex comes up as often as combat, as I interject opportunities for both encounters in my games with the equal... rigor.

If you'll excuse me, my Sunday game preparations are not complete, and this inappropriate pornographic video can't watch itself. Nor can my director's cut of Gladiator. Good evening.

1) Would your opinion on sex in games change if your mom was at the table?

No. Totally not.

2) Are your women actually women?  Do they menstruate?

That last question? That is a really weird question to ask without context like this.

But if you must know, sometimes women are played by women yes, and sometimes some women play guys, and sometimes guys play women, and sometimes guys and girls play weirder beings too. Just for the record, I had a 100% female group but for me, the DM, until about .. 2007 or so. And some of these played women who were lesbians, actually. And there was no big deal made out of spending the night with someone or having relationships in the game and so on. It just happens. No big deal, though it's cool because it adds another layer of verisimilitude to the game, whether your character is searching for a one-night-stand or a long term relationship in the game. It's all cool with me. And if it doesn't happen at all and you're not interested in that kind of developments, that's cool with me too.

3) What about pregnancy?  Is there any player agency here, in say a fantasy setting?  Or is it all 'DM fiat'?  Do your non-scientific fantasy characters even accurately know how reproduction occurs?

That hasn't come up in my games. How often does it show up in yours? Because the length at which you went about that question... I don't know. It's bizarre. Pregnancy is nature, you know? It happens. Or not. It's not icky or anything. Unless you're a guy standing before your wife while she pushes. You might want to brace yourself.

4) Is your culture sexually open?  Again, in a fantasy world I'd expect you need a fair amount of retooling.  Even in our modern society we don't have a world where women can be as sexually promiscuous as men.

I never thought about it that way to be honest. It's just like Lankhmar stories but in a D&D role playing context, you know? Sometimes characters fall in love. Or they find a one night stand during a stay at an inn. It just happens.

5) What about STDs?  Did you make up charts and rules for this?  Syphilis was a pretty big deal back before penicillin.

No, I didn't make charts for this.

You guys are all really fucking weird        :hmm:

I'm just flabbergasted by this conversation. I was talking about it with my wife and the pregnancy thing came up in particular. She was like "if I came up to you between sessions and said it would be cool if my character got pregnant out of this what would you say?" and I was like "cool! Character development!" which totally did not surprise her, and then "if I asked you to roll for the probability would you?" I was like "Sure, that'd be cool with me".

I'm not seeing what the big deal is about all this AT ALL. Perhaps because I'm French. IDK.

Quote from: trechriron;634659We extrapolated rules from FATAL, the RPG netbook of sex, and several OGL sources to fine tune our house rules regarding sex. Sex is as intricate as combat with critical and fumble tables, chance for pregnancy, menstruation, STDs, erectile dysfunction, good/bad performance, and satisfaction (measured in "humping points").

Sexual encounters are broken up into "moments" which comprise 6 seconds of "action". Various maneuvers are detailed, with players in full tactical control of their characters faculties or facilities as the case may be.

Additional rules include inebriation from various substances, bondage and sadism effects, effects of grooming  and accoutrements on appearance, and of course dancing. Which can be surprisingly sexual (and can draw sexual encounters out, so I caution against overuse...).

XP can be earned in session via sexual encounters for a myriad number of things, one of which I can't get into too much detail about, but involves pudding. Flavors generally have no impact on XP award however.

So, in summary, sex comes up as often as combat, as I interject opportunities for both encounters in my games with the equal... rigor.

If you'll excuse me, my Sunday game preparations are not complete, and this inappropriate pornographic video can't watch itself. Nor can my director's cut of Gladiator. Good evening.

You win this fucking trainwreck. Congratulations.

Quote from: One Horse Town;633840I banged a copy of Unearthed Arcana once.

It would seem that some people were more excited by Gygax's addition of 'comeliness' to AD&D than others...

Quote from: mcbobbo;6346441) Would your opinion on sex in games change if your mom was at the table?

No, but I'd be looking for the nearest blunt object, so roleplaying wouldn't be the first thing on my mind.

Quote2) Are your women actually women?  Do they menstruate?

Not at the game table.

Quote3) What about pregnancy?  Is there any player agency here, in say a fantasy setting?  Or is it all 'DM fiat'?  Do your non-scientific fantasy characters even accurately know how reproduction occurs?

Sure, they know that the fertility gods grant babies to those who pray for it.

Quote4) Is your culture sexually open?  

Depends on the game. I've never seen a reason to tie myself down to one culture.

QuoteAgain, in a fantasy world I'd expect you need a fair amount of retooling.  Even in our modern society we don't have a world where women can be as sexually promiscuous as men.

Sure they can be, and often are.

Quote5) What about STDs?  Did you make up charts and rules for this?  Syphilis was a pretty big deal back before penicillin.

I don't make up charts and rules for venerial diseases , no. If I was into that sort of "fun" I'd play FATAL.

QuoteI am genuinely asking, by the way, and I'd respect you a lot to hear you'd actually considered these changes to the game.  But in a typical fantasy world these issues aren't usually dealt with in any way.  The females are just males with different body parts, and have none of the worries that women throughout history have had to deal with prior to the advances of this century.

That totally depends on the setting and the group. I don't think you can make universal or general statements about this. OTOH, I don't penalize players for being females in a historical setting. For one, women had more freedoms than most people give them credit for these days. For another, there were always exceptions to the "rule". For the third, living in a sexist society doesn't mean that women everywhere faced daily challenges in that regard. Most women were not abused, cowed, slaves.

QuoteConsider this - in a 'mature' and sexualized game, what portion of the spells do you think ought to be devoted to sexual needs, menstruation, and pregnancy?

None, unless you want that kind of magic.  Magic can mean so many different things, have so many different flavours, that I don't accept "a subsitute for modern technology" as a default basis. I mean, imagine a Call of Cthulhu spell for dealing with one's period.

Quote from: Imperator;634023Sex, marriages, children and romantic relationships happen frequently in my games. As the PCs are usually human beings, roleplaying them properly should include the need for coupling, establishing relationships, or just having a fun romp. Anyway, we usually roleplay the seduction part, and let the rest happen off-screen once the clothes start getting in the way...

This generally has been my experience as well, at least in campaigns that have lasted for an extended time.

Romance played an important role in the last extended campaign in which I was a player. My PC was a Half-Melnibonean sorcerer (this was a RuneQuest game set in the Young Kingdoms) who fell in love with and rescued a Melnibonean maiden.  She was intended to be sacrificed by her father in order to resurrect Cran Liret (the Thief of Spells).  The relationship actually became a primary motivation for my PC's actions during the last third of the campaign (somewhat to the chagrin of the PC's half-brother).

Quote from: mcbobbo;6346441) Would your opinion on sex in games change if your mom was at the table?

About as much as anything else.

Quote2) Are your women actually women?  Do they menstruate?

Generally yes, although it's only very seldom come up (bypassed a spell requirement for human blood) and there are exceptions.  Some non-humans probably shouldn't, and futuristic settings with reliable contraception may make it optional (even modern-day levels of technology can, though the side effects and lack of reliability prevent it from getting through the FDA).

Quote3) What about pregnancy?  Is there any player agency here, in say a fantasy setting?  Or is it all 'DM fiat'?

I generally assume that characters are taking reasonable precautions unless they say otherwise (including men, since the random lovechild is a pretty standard trope and really trite to use without player permission).  Conversely, if the player wants to work on their family line, it'll normally work.

QuoteDo your non-scientific fantasy characters even accurately know how reproduction occurs?

In the same way they might understand how combat works, even if they don't necessarily understand how to forge a sword.  Characters in-setting may have unusual superstitions or frameworks -- actual sperm-egg mechanics require more knowledge than 'water the seed' -- but I'd generally expect any adult in a typical setting to at least have realized a pattern in livestock or housepets.

If there are unusual aspects to a setting (babies are actually delivered by stork), I'd generally assume they need to be stated to the players if they became relevant.

Quote4) Is your culture sexually open?  Again, in a fantasy world I'd expect you need a fair amount of retooling.  Even in our modern society we don't have a world where women can be as sexually promiscuous as men.

Culture depends on setting -- there are a good many settings where it makes sense for the cultures to be sexually closed, or for homosexuality to be outlawed, or for standard choices to be restricted and bizarre matters to be common.  For most RPGs, however, the characters transcend the limits of culture : adventure parties in Dungeons and Dragons, Shadowrunners in Shadowrun, Exalts and Heroic Mortals in Exalted, all exist at levels of society where they are expected to neither know nor care about the conventional taboos.

I'll admit a weakness to taking real-life taboos -- my Realm uses a genderflipped version of Roman preferences, for example.

Quote5) What about STDs?  Did you make up charts and rules for this?  Syphilis was a pretty big deal back before penicillin.

I generally assume that players take appropriate precautions unless they state otherwise, the same as they probably don't need to make a roll to avoid bedbugs or a bad case of e coli.

QuoteConsider this - in a 'mature' and sexualized game, what portion of the spells do you think ought to be devoted to sexual needs, menstruation, and pregnancy?

I'd generally not get into the brand-v-brand issues -- the infamous polearm table from Unearthed Arcana has forever turned me away from multiple items with identical stats.  If you have a setting that's going to describe prices of homes and food items and minor baubles or have noncombat spells (and isn't a specifically non-sexual setting), listing a few forms of contraception and pleasurable matters wouldn't be out of place.

  It also depends very heavily on the game's magic rules.  I would not want to use any Don't Rest Your Head magic as a contraceptive.  Actual sorcery for sex is probably overkill in Exalted, unless you need a palace to go with your orgy, but a thaumaturgy ritual might well make sense (although I might wave the willpower cost, to avoid encouraging stunts).  Most D&D versions make spell slots too valuable, but the True20 ruleset probably should have bedroom magic.

1) Would your opinion on sex in games change if your mom was at the table?

No.

2) Are your women actually women?  Do they menstruate?

Depends on the game and whether it would come up. It did come up in a post-apocalyptic survival game (immediately post-apocalyptic). Like most things it really only comes up if relevant and dependent on game.

3) What about pregnancy?  Is there any player agency here, in say a fantasy setting?  Or is it all 'DM fiat'?  Do your non-scientific fantasy characters even accurately know how reproduction occurs?

While people had some funny ideas about how babies were made the connection between fucking and babies was known longer than most people think. Even in a non-scientific fantasy setting magic fulfills many of the roles science and technology does so I don't assume ignorance or mystical views on childbirth unless appropriate. Pregnancy does turn up reasonably often.

4) Is your culture sexually open?  Again, in a fantasy world I'd expect you need a fair amount of retooling.  Even in our modern society we don't have a world where women can be as sexually promiscuous as men.

I suggest you read Chaucer. Also Shakespeare. Again see 'magic as technology'.

5) What about STDs?  Did you make up charts and rules for this?  Syphilis was a pretty big deal back before penicillin.

If its relevant, it turns up. More likely to turn up in WHFRP or a setting without 'cure disease' than elsewhere.

The point you make about commercials, products, obsession and use of technology was one of the subtexts in Nymphology.

Quote from: Black Vulmea;634686You win this fucking trainwreck. Congratulations.

Thank you good sir! Now I just need to polish up the PDF and get it on this thread. You know, for posterity.

Why do you care what people do in their games?
Why do you care that some games and books contain this sort of material?

Quote from: GRIM;634883Why do you care what people do in their games?

Other people having fun is horribly offensive.

Quote from: GrumpyReviews;634920Other people having fun is horribly offensive.

Apparently.

JG

Characters have had sex in the RPGs I've played throughout my life.  It's a little hard to imagine how it could be otherwise, unless I was sticking strictly to games about nonhumans or grimdark wh40k campaigns or something.  It was all very juvenile when I was a juvenile, no regrets there.  As an adult, some players can be a little skeezy time to time, but I don't much care as long as they're not ruining someone's good time.

Mostly it's pretty normal.  People want to explore relationships, hook up, marry up, whatever.  Even as a kid, I don't think I ever played out sex, the expectation has been pretty steady over the years that once you get past fooling around, it goes off screen.  Or in private messages if the players roll that way.

It likely helps that I do all my gaming these days over IRC.  Easier to divorce myself from awareness of who's doing the talking, and imagine voice tone/body language that's appropriate to what their character is saying in text.  Easier to focus on Nymphina when Jimbob isn't sitting next to me.