Sacrosanct, I can't read any of the text in those images.

Bah, it's 4x the size that it's showing, and photobucket won't allow it to be any bigger, I guess

I'm trying to figure it out


OK, I had to do it as 2 separate files.

Quote from: mcbobbo;634467Again, I don't know why this has to go any farther than "I don't want to picture you guys naked".

Everybody poops, are we going down that road next?

Thank you for confirming my impression of you as the stupidest fucking poster on this forum. Geebus bleeding crisco, you manage to make jibbajabba and Ghost Whistler look like gawddamned Rhodes scholars.

No, mcdumbass, I don't picture the players naked - hell, I don't even imagine their characters naked, because (a) as others have already noted, roleplaying sexual situations that arise in-game doesn't mean roleplaying the actual sexual acts and (b) I'm not a fucking stunted moron.

And yes, mcdumbass, everyone poops, but pooping isn't a big part of how we build relationships with others wheres courtship and seduction can be.

Now, aren't you due to go crawl back in your hole and sulk for another three months?

Quote from: GRIM;634497So you can picture a swooping dragon pouring fire down upon a village but you can't make the jump that Jimbob is actually playing Nymphina the Cleric of Hawtness?

There's a gap between 'can' and 'want to'.

Quote from: Black Vulmea;634592Thank you for confirming my impression of you as the stupidest fucking poster on this forum.

Oh joy, BV deigned to notice me.  Oh happy day!

Quote from: Black Vulmea;634592Geebus bleeding crisco, you manage to make jibbajabba and Ghost Whistler look like gawddamned Rhodes scholars.

Which makes you, what, exactly?  Here's a clue - having a big dick and BEING a big dick aren't equivalent.

Quote from: Black Vulmea;634592No, mcdumbass, I don't picture the players naked - hell, I don't even imagine their characters naked, because (a) as others have already noted, roleplaying sexual situations that arise in-game doesn't mean roleplaying the actual sexual acts and (b) I'm not a fucking stunted moron..

...and your imagination is probably as stunted as are your social skills.  But you continue to think the problem is me.  See if anyone cares.

Quote from: Black Vulmea;634592And yes, mcdumbass, everyone poops, but pooping isn't a big part of how we build relationships with others wheres courtship and seduction can be.

You can't imagine constipation being an issue for the adventurer?  Or the premise of swallowing an item to pass it later, perhaps before capture?  Biological functions are a big part of normal life for every single living thing.  To a frequency much, much, much greater than that of actual sex.  But we still don't discuss it.

Oh wait, I forgot, you're one of those children who cannot think through his own sentences before he starts slapping his dick all over the screen.

Quote from: Black Vulmea;634592Now, aren't you due to go crawl back in your hole and sulk for another three months?

lol - I had no idea you were keeping track.  How cute!

This presumably should follow regular social rules.  

Sex comes up pretty regularly in fiction - even in PG films and network television.  On the other hand, it's also quite normal for there to be fiction with no mention of sex.  

Likewise, there are many friends who are comfortable discussing the topic of sex, if not in graphic detail, and sometimes even then.  (It seems more common among women than men or mixed groups, in my observation, but that's not an absolute rule.)  On the other hand, I don't see anything wrong with friends who never talk about sex.

Quote from: jhkim;634619This presumably should follow regular social rules.  

Sex comes up pretty regularly in fiction - even in PG films and network television.  On the other hand, it's also quite normal for there to be fiction with no mention of sex.  

Likewise, there are many friends who are comfortable discussing the topic of sex, if not in graphic detail, and sometimes even then.  (It seems more common among women than men or mixed groups, in my observation, but that's not an absolute rule.)  On the other hand, I don't see anything wrong with friends who never talk about sex.

I might be stating the obvious but sex, even graphic sex is much more common n "collective story" style role playing than more traditional rpgs particularly online. That's been my experience at least.

OK. This conversation is weird.

Sex happens in my games.
It's usually played up for (80s comedy movie-esque) laffs.
It's about as explicit as 80s sex comedies, i.e. bouncing boobs are onscreen, actual penetration is offscreen.

Quote from: Benoist;634630OK. This conversation is weird.

Word.

Quote from: Benoist;634630OK. This conversation is weird.

Genuinely, it should get a lot weirder.  I have some questions for those gamers 'more mature' than I am who deal with explicit sex in their campaigns:

1) Would your opinion on sex in games change if your mom was at the table?

2) Are your women actually women?  Do they menstruate?

3) What about pregnancy?  Is there any player agency here, in say a fantasy setting?  Or is it all 'DM fiat'?  Do your non-scientific fantasy characters even accurately know how reproduction occurs?

4) Is your culture sexually open?  Again, in a fantasy world I'd expect you need a fair amount of retooling.  Even in our modern society we don't have a world where women can be as sexually promiscuous as men.

5) What about STDs?  Did you make up charts and rules for this?  Syphilis was a pretty big deal back before penicillin.

I am genuinely asking, by the way, and I'd respect you a lot to hear you'd actually considered these changes to the game.  But in a typical fantasy world these issues aren't usually dealt with in any way.  The females are just males with different body parts, and have none of the worries that women throughout history have had to deal with prior to the advances of this century.

Consider this - in a 'mature' and sexualized game, what portion of the spells do you think ought to be devoted to sexual needs, menstruation, and pregnancy?  Before you answer, go watch all the commercials you usually ignore.  After the fifteenth feminine product or ED pill ad you may realize just how much we normal people use our magic (science) in these exact same ways.  The fact that no such spells exist in the PHB might be a good indicator that their lives are different from ours.  Now, if you put your own spells back in in equal measure, I'd like to hear about it.

Quote from: Benoist;634630OK. This conversation is weird.

It's nerds talking about sex.  What do you expect would happen?

Quote from: mcbobbo;634644Genuinely, it should get a lot weirder.  I have some questions for those gamers 'more mature' than I am who deal with explicit sex in their campaigns:

I don't consider myself anymore mature just to have different tastes, limits and goals when I play.

Quote1) Would your opinion on sex in games change if your mom was at the table?

Probably, but my opinion about several things would change if my mother were playing.

Quote2) Are your women actually women?  Do they menstruate?

If you mean female characters, yes, they do, Some have gotten pregnant. If you mean players then also yes, we have a few women playing. Some of them play male characters though.

Quote3) What about pregnancy?  Is there any player agency here, in say a fantasy setting?  Or is it all 'DM fiat'?  Do your non-scientific fantasy characters even accurately know how reproduction occurs?

Depends on the setting and tone of the game. In our "gritter" games pregnancy is a risk if a charactwre in engages in unprotected sex. In more cinematic games its more of a player choice or a collaboration between the gm and player.

Quote4) Is your culture sexually open?

Depends on the setting.

Quote5) What about STDs?  Did you make up charts and rules for this?  Syphilis was a pretty big deal back before penicillin.

Depends on the setting. No charts though. Depends on the character's actions. Generally, unless its dramatic or appropriate it something assumed avoided if the character is taking precautions or that can be taken care of by in setting means (medical technology, magic, etc). Like common illness or wound infection in some systems.

QuoteI am genuinely asking, by the way, and I'd respect you a lot to hear you'd actually considered these changes to the game.

I hope my answers were satisfactory. To tell the truth I play much sci fi and modern (ish) games than straight fantasy so my perspective is different.

QuoteBut in a typical fantasy world these issues aren't usually dealt with in any way.  The females are just males with different body parts, and have none of the worries that women throughout history have had to deal with prior to the advances of this century.

Consider this - in a 'mature' and sexualized game, what portion of the spells do you think ought to be devoted to sexual needs, menstruation, and pregnancy?  Before you answer, go watch all the commercials you usually ignore.  After the fifteenth feminine product or ED pill ad you may realize just how much we normal people use our magic (science) in these exact same ways.  The fact that no such spells exist in the PHB might be a good indicator that their lives are different from ours.  Now, if you put your own spells back in in equal measure, I'd like to hear about it.

Generally, I assume those spells, magical devices, etc exist but they just aren't detailed because they aren't important to most adventuring sorts (IOW ways to kill stuff). IIRC, even in the Book of Erotic Fantasy much of the material mentioned was along the lines of being useful for adventure than general utility.

 I'd imagine most fantasy worlds have hedge magic contraception, treatments for STDs, etc (or things like laxatives and baldness cures, for that matter). Though there's no reason STDs HAVE to exist in a fantasy setting but I think it could lead to some changes in their outlook so I generally assume they do in some form or another.

Quote from: mcbobbo;6346441) Would your opinion on sex in games change if your mom was at the table?

2) Are your women actually women?  Do they menstruate?

3) What about pregnancy?  Is there any player agency here, in say a fantasy setting?  Or is it all 'DM fiat'?  Do your non-scientific fantasy characters even accurately know how reproduction occurs?

4) Is your culture sexually open?  Again, in a fantasy world I'd expect you need a fair amount of retooling.  Even in our modern society we don't have a world where women can be as sexually promiscuous as men.

5) What about STDs?  Did you make up charts and rules for this?  Syphilis was a pretty big deal back before penicillin.

I am genuinely asking, by the way, and I'd respect you a lot to hear you'd actually considered these changes to the game.  But in a typical fantasy world these issues aren't usually dealt with in any way.

I don't think I can accurately answer these since they differ wildly from one campaign to another.  I guess I'll answer my Vinland campaign since it's one that I mentioned earlier in the thread.  

1) No, I don't think so.  My mother swears like sailor and is fine talking about her favorite Almodovar films, for example, and like I said there's never anything explicit.  I would change it if there were kids present.  

2) Yes.

3) Characters certainly know that pregnancy results from sex - that's been true since ancient times.  I'm not sure what you mean by "player agency", but yes, it's been handled by GM fiat.  (I did once play a Slayer in a Buffy RPG campaign who had a baby with her same-sex partner via spell, so I suppose that counts as agency.)  

4) The Vinlanders weren't at all prudish or puritanical, but they also weren't particularly enlightened.  Both women and men PCs had marriages arranged for them by their families - that's how marriage worked.  On the other hand, they didn't generally make a big deal of affairs (a bit like the French).  

5) I've never used rules for disease in general, so no, I haven't used it for STDs.  I also have always avoided having PCs die from infection or other complications of injury.  Although sometimes set in historical periods, my games are generally about heroic fiction rather than everyday reality.

Quote from: mcbobbo;6346442) Are your women actually women?  Do they menstruate?

Why the fuck is that even a question?

I give up on this place sometimes.

Quote from: mcbobbo;634644Genuinely, it should get a lot weirder.  I have some questions for those gamers 'more mature' than I am who deal with explicit sex in their campaigns:

1) Would your opinion on sex in games change if your mom was at the table?

2) Are your women actually women?  Do they menstruate?

3) What about pregnancy?  Is there any player agency here, in say a fantasy setting?  Or is it all 'DM fiat'?  Do your non-scientific fantasy characters even accurately know how reproduction occurs?

4) Is your culture sexually open?  Again, in a fantasy world I'd expect you need a fair amount of retooling.  Even in our modern society we don't have a world where women can be as sexually promiscuous as men.

5) What about STDs?  Did you make up charts and rules for this?  Syphilis was a pretty big deal back before penicillin.

I am genuinely asking, by the way, and I'd respect you a lot to hear you'd actually considered these changes to the game.  But in a typical fantasy world these issues aren't usually dealt with in any way.  The females are just males with different body parts, and have none of the worries that women throughout history have had to deal with prior to the advances of this century.

Consider this - in a 'mature' and sexualized game, what portion of the spells do you think ought to be devoted to sexual needs, menstruation, and pregnancy?  Before you answer, go watch all the commercials you usually ignore.  After the fifteenth feminine product or ED pill ad you may realize just how much we normal people use our magic (science) in these exact same ways.  The fact that no such spells exist in the PHB might be a good indicator that their lives are different from ours.  Now, if you put your own spells back in in equal measure, I'd like to hear about it.

I don't consider the sex in my game to be explicit, or even a considerable portion of the game, but I'll bite:

1) A lot of things would be different if my mom was at the table. Players smoking pot, descriptions of graphic violence, greed motivated murder, etc. Sex doesn't come up as nearly as often as other potentially controversial things that come up in play.

2) Yes. In theory yes, but it hasn't ever come up in play. Although I would use it as fodder for cheap comedy if it occurred to me.

3) I guess it could happen, although I'd imagine all the violence that adventuring PCs experience would likely induce a miscarriage by the time nine months have rolled by? If PCs were actively trying to impregnate or get pregnant I'd look at Pendragon or something for guidelines.

Since the sexual activity in my game is offscreen, so is the methods of birth control, so the possibility of pregnancy could be easily handwaved.

But if female PC ended unintentionally up in a family way, they could visit a witch or apothecary to terminate the pregnancy if they so desired.

4. Depends on the region in question, but generally, yes.

5. I don't worry about PCs contracting sepsis or tuberculosis in general either. I can see it coming up if PC gets it on with a NPC that is a secret priest of the disease god or some other corner case.

My games are generally pulp comic book fantasy, so generally the only consequences of getting laid is someone either falling in love with you or someone getting mad at you. Unless you sleep with a secret monster or something.