Quote from: gleichman;629210Seems like more trouble than it's worth to me.

Used to do all sorts games with XP to simulate this or that, and realized that this or that wasn't part of the genre we were playing in the first place. So we dumped it all.

Some games we do don't even have XP.

Different games.   You often talk about your earlier games, I'm running a thirty year old campaign...works for me.

Quote from: LordVreeg;629263Different games.   You often talk about your earlier games, I'm running a thirty year old campaign...works for me.

And as I said in other thread, plowing with a stick was all the rage until the late 1700s.

I don't care how long you've been doing something, it means nothing by itself. Try a rational line of debate if debate you must.

Quote from: gleichman;629264And as I said in other thread, plowing with a stick was all the rage until the late 1700s.

I don't care how long you've been doing something, it means nothing by itself. Try a rational line of debate if debate you must.

rational lines of debate are for rational posters. You don't respond to rational debate or intellectual rigor.  You just say the same things over and over again.  I debate and work with those who have some mind for it; you rarely even keep up.

You can view it as plowing with a stick; I view it as keeping a succesful campaign running...which is a measure of success.  It's not about the time spent trying something, it's about the time spent succeeding at it.

or to get Aurelian...just becasue you can't do it, don't suppose it can't be done.

Quote from: LordVreeg;629293or to get Aurelian...just becasue you can't do it, don't suppose it can't be done.

All sorts of stupid things can be done, and people certainly love doing them.

That you think it somehow justifies anything is a true measure of the limits of your mind, no wonder you can't grasp complex ideas.

I used to do it, I do not do it any more. I have nothing against anyone who prefers to do it, though.

Quote from: Imperator;629351I used to do it, I do not do it any more. I have nothing against anyone who prefers to do it, though.

I don't have anything against anyone who does.

However I wouldn't jump to join their game either, a group that needs this sort of bribe to role-play isn't a group that would interest me.

Quote from: gleichman;629441I don't have anything against anyone who does.

However I wouldn't jump to join their game either, a group that needs this sort of bribe to role-play isn't a group that would interest me.

Sure, to each his own. It's a valid choice.

I decided that I was not into rewarding people for doing the thing they're supposed to enjoy doing, anymore I would reward a soccer player for kicking the ball. Also, I think that XP are a reward to the character, so to speak, not to the player. The reward of the player should be the act of gaming.

Also, I don't think I should be judging the acting skills of my friends like I am Roger Ebert. No one knows better a character than its own player.

Quote from: Imperator;629476Also, I don't think I should be judging the acting skills of my friends like I am Roger Ebert. No one knows better a character than its own player.

Indeed, there are a number of character types and play styles that would never win this award and I consider those types and styles to be valid.

Quote from: gleichman;629441I don't have anything against anyone who does.

However I wouldn't jump to join their game either, a group that needs this sort of bribe to role-play isn't a group that would interest me.

I wouldn't think any kind of role-play interests you.

RPGPundit

Quote from: Imperator;629476Sure, to each his own. It's a valid choice.

I decided that I was not into rewarding people for doing the thing they're supposed to enjoy doing, anymore I would reward a soccer player for kicking the ball. Also, I think that XP are a reward to the character, so to speak, not to the player. The reward of the player should be the act of gaming.

Also, I don't think I should be judging the acting skills of my friends like I am Roger Ebert. No one knows better a character than its own player.

Again, it all depends on the game you play and want to play.  XP are a reward to the character, but based on who the player plays the character.  At all levels, players who play poorly get less XP in almost any game, even if it is just the result of poor choices.  But I aslo believe, to your point, a good GM brings out the best in the players and can mitigate this.

And if it were about rating acting ability, some of my players who do well would not, because, actors some of them are not.  A lot of what I look for is involvement and usage of social connections and skills, as well as staying more inc character.  I do give plusses for thinking in character and extrapolating from it, though.

One of the reasons I like RP experience is actually a corrollary of what you said.  In many games, a player with a better character can use the character abilities and stats to earn more EXP and to do more, even if they don't RP much or contribute in the social machinations of the game.  

And as a preface, I play a very, very social heavy game.  So that also feeds into this.

But one reason I use RP EXP is because it allows a good player to come out tangibly ahead of a bad player with a good character, or at least keep up.  To put it in the terms of a hoary axiom, it is a mechanic that allows Roleplaying to tangibly, in the primary currency of advancement, beat RollPlaying.  And for my idea of game design, which may or may not play well at someone else's table, that is important.
For games where the GM just sort of decides, on the narrative, to level up the group, or the players and GM all decide together, not so important.

But in my game, and for my players, who take their RP vcery seriously and enjoy games where they get a lot more EXP from their roleplaying exploits, it works.

If I award roleplay I do it secretly with a note to each player with their XP for roleplay that session however I haven't done it for 20 years.

Having a vote or doing an award in the real is a bit like at the end of a dinner party asking everyone to vote on who had the most amusing conversation.

It's not a competition it's a pastime to be enjoyed by all present.  

It's not a terrible idea it's just rather gauche and bad mannered.

Quote from: jibbajibba;629872If I award roleplay I do it secretly with a note to each player with their XP for roleplay that session however I haven't done it for 20 years.

Having a vote or doing an award in the real is a bit like at the end of a dinner party asking everyone to vote on who had the most amusing conversation.

It's not a competition it's a pastime to be enjoyed by all present.  

It's not a terrible idea it's just rather gauche and bad mannered.

Yes, if it had to be done it would be by secret ballot among the group and spread out the rewards a bit to prevent friction. I haven't used it before although I can see its merits as far as enouraging roleplaying goes. Some people just have a really hard time getting into it. Powergaming minmaxers might not care unless there's a quantifiable benefit in it for them, at least at first, once they start they'll probably just do it for fun.

There are probably better ways to encourage roleplaying though.

Quote from: RPGPundit;629789I wouldn't think any kind of role-play interests you.

RPGPundit

That's because you neither read nor understand anything I post. Too complex for your little simple cartoon mind.

Go ask the guy who created you, he might be smarter.*


*unlikely, only a complete idiot would make up a online persona that stupid.

Quote from: gleichman;629921That's because you neither read nor understand anything I post. Too complex for your little simple cartoon mind.

Go ask the guy who created you, he might be smarter.*


*unlikely, only a complete idiot would make up a online persona that stupid.

You've got a point. You are so much more clever than me, it sometimes makes me wonder why I bother posting here on this forum you created by your own sheer genius when everyone claimed you'd fail miserably... oh no, wait, its the other way around.

Well anyways, you still win, because with my stupid online persona I'd never have managed to get four RPG books published, have a blog read by thousands of people, be sent literally thousands and thousands of dollars worth of review materials, and become a consultant with direct influence over the next edition of D&D the way you did... oh no wait now...

Yeah, you're clearly so much smarter than me in every way that counts.

RPGPundit

Quote from: RPGPundit;629981Yeah, you're clearly so much smarter than me in every way that counts.

It's a pity that when all is said and done, nothing of what you listed is of any real value- nor even that difficult to do.

But if that's how you measure yourself, feel free. I certainly judge the little cartoon you created by them. It's way I consider you a lesser person than say Edwards.