Cortex + Licensing

Ghost Whistler · February 10, 2013, 06:29:42 AM

There appears to be a project for a generic Cortex + book that prospective game designers can, eventually, use and license for their own ends. Does anyone know more about this, with respect to the licensing part?

dbm · February 10, 2013, 07:54:09 AM

Quote from: Ghost Whistler;627052There appears to be a project for a generic Cortex + book that prospective game designers can, eventually, use and license for their own ends. Does anyone know more about this, with respect to the licensing part?

Yes, it was part of the recent Corex+ Kickstarter - the last stretch goal. They haven't started on the terms of the license yet, but intend to model it on the one for Savage Worlds.

Ghost Whistler · February 10, 2013, 10:04:56 AM

Nuts.

I don't like the sound of that.

dbm · February 10, 2013, 10:12:23 AM

A couple of people have commented that - how come?

(I'm not affiliated with MWP, just interested)

Ghost Whistler · February 10, 2013, 11:22:31 AM

It's a simple system. Eminently 'hackable' as the younglings like to say.

My feeling, to be blunt and probably quite selfish, is...why not just make it free? Is there much money in licensing? Do people want their books covered in logos and materials that, while reaosnable, detract from the ambience? That's one of my major problems with Savage Worlds: it's great if you want a wild west pulpy setting, but if not you still get smiling jack and the 'I gotz Savaged' vibe all over your work.

Emperor Norton · February 10, 2013, 03:11:57 PM

Quote from: Ghost Whistler;627091It's a simple system. Eminently 'hackable' as the younglings like to say.

My feeling, to be blunt and probably quite selfish, is...why not just make it free? Is there much money in licensing? Do people want their books covered in logos and materials that, while reaosnable, detract from the ambience? That's one of my major problems with Savage Worlds: it's great if you want a wild west pulpy setting, but if not you still get smiling jack and the 'I gotz Savaged' vibe all over your work.

... I don't think you understand how the Savage Worlds licensing works.

The only thing you HAVE to do for fan materials is put the Savage Fan logo on the cover and put the short little license notice somewhere noticeable. It even MENTIONS you can denote wild cards using any symbol you want OR that you can use Smiling Jack.

The for publication one just requires the Savage world's official licensed product logo and the notice and permission from Pinnacle.

Sooo. yeah, I have no idea what you are talking about. OH NO ONE LOGO ON THE COVER AND A SHORT LICENSING NOTICE!

Also: The Savage Worlds licensing is free. They just require permission because they want to make sure people are putting out a quality product.

Ghost Whistler · February 10, 2013, 03:38:30 PM

Quote from: Emperor Norton;627163... I don't think you understand how the Savage Worlds licensing works.

The only thing you HAVE to do for fan materials is put the Savage Fan logo on the cover and put the short little license notice somewhere noticeable. It even MENTIONS you can denote wild cards using any symbol you want OR that you can use Smiling Jack.

The for publication one just requires the Savage world's official licensed product logo and the notice and permission from Pinnacle.

Sooo. yeah, I have no idea what you are talking about. OH NO ONE LOGO ON THE COVER AND A SHORT LICENSING NOTICE!

Also: The Savage Worlds licensing is free. They just require permission because they want to make sure people are putting out a quality product.

That's fine. But I don't really want to use SW. I have no issue with it, it's just not what I want to use. Pinnacle can do what they like, that's not an issue. If they want to make it free, or charge, or this or that, then good luck to them.

dbm · February 10, 2013, 04:05:13 PM

The Emperor's point was that all the license entails is a logo and a paragraph, no costs.

The Cortex+ license will be similar; how will that limit what you are wanting to do with it?

Emperor Norton · February 10, 2013, 04:17:18 PM

Quote from: Ghost Whistler;627170That's fine. But I don't really want to use SW. I have no issue with it, it's just not what I want to use. Pinnacle can do what they like, that's not an issue. If they want to make it free, or charge, or this or that, then good luck to them.

Do you always miss the point of what people are telling you in some vain attempt to not look like an idiot? (Hint: It makes you look even more like an idiot)

You were the one to say that a Savage Worlds like license was bad for X reasons, I pointed out that absolutely nothing in your list of X reasons was true.

"I DON'T CARE WHAT THEY DO I'M NOT INTERESTED IN THEM"

You were the one who brought up what they were doing as bad for reasons that aren't even true, you moron.

Ghost Whistler · February 10, 2013, 04:51:50 PM

Quote from: Emperor Norton;627177Do you always miss the point of what people are telling you in some vain attempt to not look like an idiot? (Hint: It makes you look even more like an idiot)

You were the one to say that a Savage Worlds like license was bad for X reasons, I pointed out that absolutely nothing in your list of X reasons was true.

"I DON'T CARE WHAT THEY DO I'M NOT INTERESTED IN THEM"

You were the one who brought up what they were doing as bad for reasons that aren't even true, you moron.

I brought up savage worlds because the cortex + is going to be based on it.

Ghost Whistler · February 10, 2013, 04:52:46 PM

Quote from: dbm;627175The Emperor's point was that all the license entails is a logo and a paragraph, no costs.

The Cortex+ license will be similar; how will that limit what you are wanting to do with it?

I have no interest in using SW.

dbm · February 10, 2013, 04:54:22 PM

Only the license will be similar. The game system is completely different.

Emperor Norton · February 10, 2013, 04:59:29 PM

Quote from: Ghost Whistler;627183I brought up savage worlds because the cortex + is going to be based on it.

Yes, yes you did. Then you explained that it would be bad to base it on that because the Savage Worlds License has X and Y and Z. And I told you all of those things were incorrect about the Savage Worlds license. Then you say "well it doesn't matter what they do." Yes it does, because what they do is what we are being told the Cortex+ licensing will be based on. Are you following are are you to dim to catch up and admit that you were wrong.

Now that we've circled our way all the way through your idiocy, how about you come up with a real reason based on reality that basing the license on the Savage Worlds license actually affects anything.

Tommy Brownell · February 10, 2013, 07:15:33 PM

Quote from: Ghost Whistler;627091It's a simple system. Eminently 'hackable' as the younglings like to say.

My feeling, to be blunt and probably quite selfish, is...why not just make it free? Is there much money in licensing? Do people want their books covered in logos and materials that, while reaosnable, detract from the ambience? That's one of my major problems with Savage Worlds: it's great if you want a wild west pulpy setting, but if not you still get smiling jack and the 'I gotz Savaged' vibe all over your work.

1) Savage Worlds doesn't even use Smiling Jack anymore, and has never required their licensees to use Smiling Jack.

2) It is free. And no, being forced to put a Cortex+ logo on your book is not the same as charging you to use the system.

3) Cortex+ is still Cortex+. The system is in no more like Savage Worlds than it was before the Kickstarter.

4) I do not remotely understand why anyone would want to use Savage Worlds as the game system for their book, but want to avoid having a "Savage Worlds vibe" in their work.

Ghost Whistler · February 11, 2013, 03:39:37 AM

I don't want to use SW. I really don't understand why that's hard to grok. I've no desire to use the system and would only want to change it radically if I did. If other people want to use it, good luck to them. It's existence doesn't offend me.