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"3rd ed is the game of choice for assholes"

Started by Benoist, August 14, 2012, 03:12:18 PM

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Bill

Quote from: deadDMwalking;575928Not something I see often - but I have seen it.  People that don't practice good hygiene are not welcome at my house.  

I've also been to GenCon once.  It is possible that some allowance should be made for the possible long waking hours and number of people sharing a single room (and therefore, shower), but I'm not inclined to make it.  

There are plenty of behaviors that aren't acceptable in any type of gaming environment, and the first are always the same ones as at work.  Keep yourself clean; no unwanted touching or leering; etc.  

Then you start on the ones that are really important to gaming.  The first and cardinal rule for players: Make a character that has a reason for wanting to work with the other members of the party.  

I've had a player that wanted to go off and do solo-shit.  I let him leave the party and we'd give him 5 minutes to describe his long journey to a far away land while spending 55 minutes doing the actual adventure...  It wouldn't matter if he had none of the problems that Declan thinks are a problem.  

That's not to say you can't have intra-party conflict.  But you have to be willing to work together.  

The second rule: It's a game - try to have fun and try to make sure everyone else is having fun with you.

Again, it doesn't matter what kind of game you're playing.  If you're being careful to observe rule #2, you can be as Pun-Pun as you want.  It's only a problem if people aren't having fun.  So if Declan is at your table, watch your Pun-Pun making self.  If that's the only way for you to have fun and it ruins his fun, the two shouldn't be playing together.  But for most people, there's a middle ground.  

This also covers what 'Rating' a game should have.  Some gamers aren't comfortable with the death of a child, some think that if evil doesn't do anything WICKED, then what's the point.  

There are plenty of ways to be an asshole that Declan didn't mention.  As far as those things go, they're not NECESSARILY a problem, but they can be.  

I think 3.x has some major flaws, but for me, it's still the best game around.  But I honestly don't care if Declan thinks I'm an asshole either in addition to or because of that.  I like to believe that it's enough we're all enjoying our shared hobby.

Is WANTED touching and leering ok?

Exploderwizard

Quote from: Bill;576041Is WANTED touching and leering ok?

As long as its a 'good' touch.

A bad touch will cause you to recoil in horror from GMs forever without the loving embrace of an empowering RAW to comfort you and reassure to you that everything will be alright.
Quote from: JonWakeGamers, as a whole, are much like primitive cavemen when confronted with a new game. Rather than \'oh, neat, what\'s this do?\', the reaction is to decide if it\'s a sex hole, then hit it with a rock.

Quote from: Old Geezer;724252At some point it seems like D&D is going to disappear up its own ass.

Quote from: Kyle Aaron;766997In the randomness of the dice lies the seed for the great oak of creativity and fun. The great virtue of the dice is that they come without boxed text.

Declan MacManus

Quote from: Benoist;575848OK. I do too. But what if that extra little benefit meant the difference between a character you like and one you are really invested in, as a player? Wouldn't there be value in that then, from an immersive standpoint?

I don't see investment in one's character as being a product of character generation, but rather it is the result of having played the character through numerous adventures.

I don't see how anyone can become invested simply by throwing together a few feats and skill ranks. I know that it happens...but I can't fathom HOW it happens.
I used to be amused, now I\'m back to being disgusted.

Declan MacManus

Quote from: Sacrosanct;575849Using Declan's logic here:

*The rpgsite is one of the only sites that allow users to call  other users cunts with no repercussion.  

*Being able to call people cunts willy nilly is an asshole behavior, and thus attracts assholes as members

*If you are a member of therpgsite and post there more than anywhere else, you are an asshole.

Yes.
I used to be amused, now I\'m back to being disgusted.

Panzerkraken

Quote from: Declan MacManus;576065Yes.

Combining those two chains of logic together, then, we discover that Declan's favorite game IS D&D 3.5.

So tell us all about your ideas for tweaking a Warblade build, Declan?
Si vous n'opposez point aux ordres de croire l'impossible l'intelligence que Dieu a mise dans votre esprit, vous ne devez point opposer aux ordres de malfaire la justice que Dieu a mise dans votre coeur. Une faculté de votre âme étant une fois tyrannisée, toutes les autres facultés doivent l'être également.
-Voltaire

Exploderwizard

Quote from: Panzerkraken;576068Combining those two chains of logic together, then, we discover that Declan's favorite game IS D&D 3.5.

So tell us all about your ideas for tweaking a Warblade build, Declan?



:rotfl:

Shit man hot coffee out the nose ain't fun!
Quote from: JonWakeGamers, as a whole, are much like primitive cavemen when confronted with a new game. Rather than \'oh, neat, what\'s this do?\', the reaction is to decide if it\'s a sex hole, then hit it with a rock.

Quote from: Old Geezer;724252At some point it seems like D&D is going to disappear up its own ass.

Quote from: Kyle Aaron;766997In the randomness of the dice lies the seed for the great oak of creativity and fun. The great virtue of the dice is that they come without boxed text.

Bill

Quote from: Exploderwizard;576069:rotfl:

Shit man hot coffee out the nose ain't fun!

Isn't a Warblade a 4E prototype?

Panzerkraken

Quote from: Declan MacManus;576062I don't see investment in one's character as being a product of character generation, but rather it is the result of having played the character through numerous adventures.

I don't see how anyone can become invested simply by throwing together a few feats and skill ranks. I know that it happens...but I can't fathom HOW it happens.

Also, this.  ALTHOUGH, I would add that at some points, regardless of the game, it's not until I'm working on 'putting together' the character, whether it's building the feats, skills, etc, or just buying equipment and making choices about which specialization to take, that I start establishing the character's voice in my head and figure out their personality.  So a decent part of the time, the 'investment' of having the character come alive to me takes place during character generation.

Which sucks if they die early on, but hey, they're fictional.  I've had real friends die, so I don't get all bent out of shape when someone who never actually existed does.
Si vous n'opposez point aux ordres de croire l'impossible l'intelligence que Dieu a mise dans votre esprit, vous ne devez point opposer aux ordres de malfaire la justice que Dieu a mise dans votre coeur. Une faculté de votre âme étant une fois tyrannisée, toutes les autres facultés doivent l'être également.
-Voltaire

Panzerkraken

Quote from: Bill;576071Isn't a Warblade a 4E prototype?

I thought it was a book of nine swords prestige class .  



I pretty much put that book right next to that book about the funky magic using rings on my list of fuck right off and don't ask me about playing shit from there.

I allowed people to play prestige classes from Vile Darkness before I'd let anything from those books into my games.
Si vous n'opposez point aux ordres de croire l'impossible l'intelligence que Dieu a mise dans votre esprit, vous ne devez point opposer aux ordres de malfaire la justice que Dieu a mise dans votre coeur. Une faculté de votre âme étant une fois tyrannisée, toutes les autres facultés doivent l'être également.
-Voltaire

Bill

Quote from: Panzerkraken;576075I thought it was a book of nine swords prestige class .  



I pretty much put that book right next to that book about the funky magic using rings on my list of fuck right off and don't ask me about playing shit from there.

I allowed people to play prestige classes from Vile Darkness before I'd let anything from those books into my games.

Might have been an early version of 4E with encounter powers?

Declan MacManus

Quote from: Panzerkraken;576068So tell us all about your ideas for tweaking a Warblade build, Declan?

Step 1: Pay some tourette's kid to go to the game in your stead and shout "Ancient Mountain Hammer" every other attack.

Step 2: Spend the evening with a sparked joint, a glass of single malt scotch, and your dick in a spanish girls mouth.

Step 3: Nap.

That kids, is not only how you optimize a warblade, but also how you optimize your life.
I used to be amused, now I\'m back to being disgusted.

Bill

Quote from: Declan MacManus;576085Step 1: Pay some tourette's kid to go to the game in your stead and shout "Ancient Mountain Hammer" every other attack.

Step 2: Spend the evening with a sparked joint, a glass of single malt scotch, and your dick in a spanish girls mouth.

Step 3: Nap.

That kids, is not only how you optimize a warblade, but also how you optimize your life.

I can't find that Build on the Char-Op boards, but it sounds great!
Might be overpowered.

crkrueger

Quote from: Declan MacManus;576085Step 1: Pay some tourette's kid to go to the game in your stead and shout "Ancient Mountain Hammer" every other attack.

Step 2: Spend the evening with a sparked joint, a glass of single malt scotch, and your dick in a spanish girls mouth.

Step 3: Nap.

That kids, is not only how you optimize a warblade, but also how you optimize your life.

Quote from: Bill;576090I can't find that Build on the Char-Op boards, but it sounds great!
Might be overpowered.

No sustained DPS, all burst.
Even the the "cutting edge" storygamers for all their talk of narrative, plot, and drama are fucking obsessed with the god damned rules they use. - Estar

Yes, Sean Connery\'s thumb does indeed do megadamage. - Spinachcat

Isuldur is a badass because he stopped Sauron with a broken sword, but Iluvatar is the badass because he stopped Sauron with a hobbit. -Malleus Arianorum

"Tangency Edition" D&D would have no classes or races, but 17 genders to choose from. -TristramEvans

Declan MacManus

Quote from: Bill;576090I can't find that Build on the Char-Op boards, but it sounds great!
Might be overpowered.

No...the only problem is excessive burst damage.

Get it? 'Cause "burst"? Eh? EHHH?

Nobody gets me : (

EDIT: Shit. Elric beat me to the punch...line.
I used to be amused, now I\'m back to being disgusted.

crkrueger

With that build, you don't want to finish first.
Even the the "cutting edge" storygamers for all their talk of narrative, plot, and drama are fucking obsessed with the god damned rules they use. - Estar

Yes, Sean Connery\'s thumb does indeed do megadamage. - Spinachcat

Isuldur is a badass because he stopped Sauron with a broken sword, but Iluvatar is the badass because he stopped Sauron with a hobbit. -Malleus Arianorum

"Tangency Edition" D&D would have no classes or races, but 17 genders to choose from. -TristramEvans