Quote from: Emperor Norton;564687Did you seriously think that I quoted your entire post because I wanted to respond to just the last sentence in your post? Because you seem to think the only damned thing I was talking about was the picture in the book.

You said there was no Egypt analogue in Golarion, you were wrong, there is one.

As an extension of that you said they didn't put in anything other than primitive spearchucker grass hut "africans". You were WRONG. I listed several other portions of the Mwangi in the setting, including the possibly most PEACEFUL, EDUCATED, and CIVILIZED society in the entire setting (Nantambu).

Jesus christ man, just get over the fact that you were god damned wrong and suck it up.

Read the Mwangi entry in the setting book. The Mwangi entry highlights the hut living svannah people, the boat people, the people who actively distance themselves from the rest, and the slave trading demon worshipers. That's what the book highlights when you look up Mwangi. If you don't believe me I could post what the Mwangi entry actually says for your pleasure. However the official major groups of the Mwangi are:
Zenj - Primitive
Bonuwat - Sailors
Mauxi - Disassociate themselves with the other Mwangi
Bekyar - Demon worshiping slavers.

Edit: Golariapedia says:http://pathfinder.wikia.com/wiki/Mwangi
Mwangi
Chelaxian

Quote from: MGuy;564716Read the Mwangi entry in the setting book. The Mwangi entry highlights the hut living svannah people, the boat people, the people who actively distance themselves from the rest, and the slave trading demon worshipers. That's what the book highlights when you look up Mwangi. If you don't believe me I could post what the Mwangi entry actually says for your pleasure. However the official major groups of the Mwangi are:
Zenj - Primitive
Bonuwat - Sailors
Mauxi - Disassociate themselves with the other Mwangi
Bekyar - Demon worshiping slavers.

Edit: Golariapedia says:http://pathfinder.wikia.com/wiki/Mwangi

So explain why this is racist.

Quote from: jeff37923;564719So explain why this is racist.

Because he wants it to be? Seriously I just don't get it.

Quote from: jeff37923;564719So explain why this is racist.

You don't see anything wrong with the entirety of a people's culture (the main factions at least) being boiled down to being primitive hut people? I mean sure if you ignore the fact that they are the main groups and that there are almost no calls to anything other than being primitive in their primary entry, and you have to SEARCH for evidence to the contrary, then of course it isn't very racist to you. As I said earlier its an association people already make (you being apparently one of those people). I mean you don't see a commoner of let's say the Chelaxian or Tian race being used as their primary cultural description or depiction. You don't have the entirety of the Ulf-whatever's culture telling you about how backwards they are compared to other races. So of course if you ignore THAT, the reinforcing of stereotypes, and the depictions it doesn't seem very racist at all. It just seems typical. Which it is.

Quote from: Marleycat;564724Because he wants it to be? Seriously I just don't get it.

I don't get it either. It doesn't map.

Oh, images! I can do that!

I just want to say "Chillaxian".

That is an awesome name for any game society.

Quote from: jeff37923;564730I don't get it either. It doesn't map.

Oh, images! I can do that!

Too bad they didn't use those in the entry for the Mwangi. Also I don't think the paladin is from any of the MWangi regions. I don't remember anything about the cleric.

Quote from: MGuy;564728You don't see anything wrong with the entirety of a people's culture (the main factions at least) being boiled down to being primitive hut people? I mean sure if you ignore the fact that they are the main groups and that there are almost no calls to anything other than being primitive in their primary entry, and you have to SEARCH for evidence to the contrary, then of course it isn't very racist to you. As I said earlier its an association people already make (you being apparently one of those people). I mean you don't see a commoner of let's say the Chelaxian or Tian race being used as their primary cultural description or depiction. You don't have the entirety of the Ulf-whatever's culture telling you about how backwards they are compared to other races. So of course if you ignore THAT, the reinforcing of stereotypes, and the depictions it doesn't seem very racist at all. It just seems typical. Which it is.

Go look at the two images of iconic characters I just posted and tell me of the negative "primitive hut people" culture they represent. One of them is even from Osirion which was claimed not to exist earlier in this thread.

Quote from: MGuy;564732Too bad they didn't use those in the entry for the Mwangi.

So those two women should be Mwangi why? Because they're dark?

RACIST!

See how that stupid shit works.

Quote from: thedungeondelver;564731I just want to say "Chillaxian".

That is an awesome name for any game society.

The nation and history of Cheliax is pretty cool.

Here is the Pathfinder wiki entry, give it a read.

Quote from: CRKrueger;564734So those two women should be Mwangi why? Because they're dark?

RACIST!

See how that stupid shit works.

Considering the focus of my argument is how the Mwangi are depicted in a Setting book I'd say yes, they have to be Mwangi if you want to use them as counter examples. They are also good for cherry picking.

Quote from: jeff37923;564735The nation and history of Cheliax is pretty cool.

Here is the Pathfinder wiki entry, give it a read.

Cheliax is a great place to set a campaign!

If only it was not racist against people with actual devil blood in their ancestery.

Five minutes with google tells me Seelah the Paladin came from Geb as a child to the town of Solku, where ever that is. (katepesh, wherever THAT is).

Quote from: MGuy;564732Too bad they didn't use those in the entry for the Mwangi. Also I don't think the paladin is from any of the MWangi regions. I don't remember anything about the cleric.

Yeah, you are desperate to find Golarion racist. See, those images bug the shit out of you because they prevent you from reducing the entirety of the setting to a couple of images or entries that you need to justify your claim of racism. The setting is large and varied, a kitchen sink that is difficult to pigeonhole.

Five more minutes tells me Kyra the Cleric is a Keleshite.

For whatever THAT is worth.



Damnit! I swore I wasn't going to participate in this trainwreck!