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So, is Golarion Racist?

Started by RPGPundit, July 23, 2012, 08:08:36 PM

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TristramEvans

If we're recommending Asian Fantasy films, then The Great Yokai War and Once Upon a Time in China definitely deserve a nod...

Plus, let me say that I totally agree with and support the praise for both Paul Mason's Outlaws of the Water Margin RPG (which I assume is still available free online somewhere), and Imazine

crkrueger

Somewhere in all those embedded menus in that Youku site is there a subtitle selector?
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Benoist

Quote from: Stackmaster J;564467Ettin isn't a good person. He's actually a 4channer, and is basically just trolling both SA and RPGnet. There's a 4chan related IRC called suptg that plans this shit. I was, sadly, a part of it, but then they started turning it into some weird social justice thing instead of just doing it for fun.
It's wrong, whether you do it for the lulz or some "weird social justice."

crkrueger

#543
Quote from: Axiomatic;570534I don't think that's a useful view of racism - it basically boils down to excusing anything racist so long as it isn't premeditated racism which the alleged racist in question explicitly conceived off as racist to begin with.

There's a galaxy or two of difference between deciding an area of your world which is supposed to be kind of like Africa is populated with people who look, act and dress kind of like historical Africans (which at the absolute worst accusation you could level would be cultural or historical ignorance or lazy worldbuilding, not Racism), and Stormfront or Irateirishman (which is what real Racism looks like. Protip: It isn't lazy: it's active, intellectually violent and sickening in the extreme.)
Even the the "cutting edge" storygamers for all their talk of narrative, plot, and drama are fucking obsessed with the god damned rules they use. - Estar

Yes, Sean Connery\'s thumb does indeed do megadamage. - Spinachcat

Isuldur is a badass because he stopped Sauron with a broken sword, but Iluvatar is the badass because he stopped Sauron with a hobbit. -Malleus Arianorum

"Tangency Edition" D&D would have no classes or races, but 17 genders to choose from. -TristramEvans

_kent_

Anyone who uses the word 'racist' is a moron.

Novastar

Quote from: _kent_;570661Anyone who uses the word 'racist' is a moron.
I'm willing to blithely use it on people who are members of the KKK, or Neo-Nazi's, or other Hate Groups. People who are, as CRKrueger pointed out "...active, intellectually violent and sickening in the extreme."

Most game designers, fall far below that measure, I've found.
Quote from: dragoner;776244Mechanical character builds remind me of something like picking the shoe in monopoly, it isn\'t what I play rpg\'s for.

vytzka

Quote from: OgreBattle;570559If you want a cool Asian fantasy setting, just look at what cool Asian fantasy settings Asians have made for themselves.

HIGH FANTASY
http://chinesemov.com/images/2012/painted-skin-2-2012-1.jpg
畫皮II
This is a Chinese movie that came out this year. It's about a demon who wants to be human making a deal with a human who wants to become immortal, and a Demon Hunter gets dragged into the mess because they are both hot women.
Notice his armor; Chinese movies have been moving away from the '3 Kingdoms' look for fantasy and going with other era's armor, which makes it Japanese lookin', because China and Japan have a shared root culture so the director can always say "it's not samurai, it's the stuff from china that influenced samurai man" and that is true.

That looks way cool. Any idea if it's going to be possible to get it subbed?

Quote from: _kent_;570661Anyone who uses the word 'racist' is a moron.

No, _kent_, you are the morons.

James Gillen

Quote from: jeff37923;570535Which did lead to pretty girls doing cosplay at conventions, so can it really be considered a bad thing?

It also led to ManFaye.

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Novastar

Quote from: James Gillen;570729It also led to ManFaye.
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Quote from: dragoner;776244Mechanical character builds remind me of something like picking the shoe in monopoly, it isn\'t what I play rpg\'s for.

Lynn

Quote from: Axiomatic;570537Japanese don't actually draw Caucasians with pastel hair - all Westerners in anime and manga are all blonde and blue eyed. Without exception. Multicolored hair is reserved for Japanese people.

Very typical. And then you have the Texans with big hats, sort of loud and friendly.
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RPGPundit

Quote from: CRKrueger;570653There's a galaxy or two of difference between deciding an area of your world which is supposed to be kind of like Africa is populated with people who look, act and dress kind of like historical Africans (which at the absolute worst accusation you could level would be cultural or historical ignorance or lazy worldbuilding, not Racism), and Stormfront or Irateirishman (which is what real Racism looks like. Protip: It isn't lazy: it's active, intellectually violent and sickening in the extreme.)

Basically right. I'd be somewhat more generous and take things one further step, however: there is also a difference between deciding an area of your world is supposed to be kind of like Africa and have people who look, act, and dress like you IMAGINE historical Africans would look, dress and act on the one hand; and on the other between deciding an area of the world is supposed to be kind of like Africa and have people who look, act and dress kind of like historical Africans based on a minimum of research on your part.

The former, depending on what you're "imagining" and what sources were the product of said imagination, may very well be unintentionally racist AND lazy worldbuilding.

The latter would be neither of the two.

The problem is that the Psuedo-activism Swine aren't interested in that, so they want to claim that a guy who's actually researched African historical cultures and makes a setting that is based on these is STILL "racist" because basically they want to claim that everything in western civilization is racist because reasons.

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I remain unconvinced that "lazy worldbuilding" is as gauche as some people make it out to be.
Yeah, but who gives a fuck? You? Jibba?

Well congrats. No one else gives a shit, so your arguments are a waste of breath.

danskmacabre

Quote from: James Gillen;570729It also led to ManFaye.

JG

Oh God,  I googled "Manfaye" using image search...  

The horror....... The Horror.......  The Horror........