Quote from: Brasidas;560370I've been part of three different FFG 40k rpg groups (2 Dark Heresy, 1 Rogue Trader). In all three groups, ranging from 5-12 players, there have been people who played 40k, and people who didn't. In every group, every player who didn't play 40k didn't like the system, every player who did play 40k either liked the system or at least thought it was ok. I think Blackhand is onto something with his theory.

Well, the point of his 'theory' is that 40k rpg'ers that are less than satisfied with everything about it should start playing the wargame. This isn't a particularly helpful or practical suggestion given that it's FUCKSHITTINGLY expensive, and not really that helpful at all.
I think the point is that both games share a rules palette. They have similar stats (afaict). It's a crunchy game and so coming to it from the wargame may soften the blow. Beyond that I can't think of any advantage one might get from playing the wargame unless one is utterly unfamiliar with the setting,w hich is a problem in its own right not solved by spending a lot of money on metal figures that will surely become redundant within a couple of years.

Quote from: Ghost Whistler;560408Well, the point of his 'theory' is that 40k rpg'ers that are less than satisfied with everything about it should start playing the wargame. This isn't a particularly helpful or practical suggestion given that it's FUCKSHITTINGLY expensive, and not really that helpful at all.
I think the point is that both games share a rules palette. They have similar stats (afaict). It's a crunchy game and so coming to it from the wargame may soften the blow. Beyond that I can't think of any advantage one might get from playing the wargame unless one is utterly unfamiliar with the setting,w hich is a problem in its own right not solved by spending a lot of money on metal figures that will surely become redundant within a couple of years.

The stats are similar, yeah, but that's because the RPG and the current version of the 40k wargame trace their history back to Warhammer Fantasy Battle 2nd edition. They're gone in vastly different directions since then, though.

If you like the wargame, that's an advantage, and that's really the reason to play. Personally, I'd rather just buy a new Dawn of War game every year.

Quote from: Ghost Whistler;560408Well, the point of his 'theory' is that 40k rpg'ers that are less than satisfied with everything about it should start playing the wargame. This isn't a particularly helpful or practical suggestion given that it's FUCKSHITTINGLY expensive, and not really that helpful at all.
I think the point is that both games share a rules palette. They have similar stats (afaict). It's a crunchy game and so coming to it from the wargame may soften the blow. Beyond that I can't think of any advantage one might get from playing the wargame unless one is utterly unfamiliar with the setting,w hich is a problem in its own right not solved by spending a lot of money on metal figures that will surely become redundant within a couple of years.

Most the time you talk gibberish but in this instance I think I agree with you, god help me.

Or, you know... you could not give a shit and come up with your own stuff, like Pseudo.

Quote from: Benoist;560550Or, you know... you could not give a shit and come up with your own stuff, like Pseudo.

GW can't help it--he's got canon-itis :idunno:

Quote from: Benoist;560550Or, you know... you could not give a shit and come up with your own stuff, like Pseudo.

Or, you know...you could read the discussion you were about to respond to.

Twat.

Quote from: Ghost Whistler;560625Or, you know...you could read the discussion you were about to respond to.

Twat.

And now you ruin it as usual.  Can't you just ignore people not interested in 40k?

Ben can have fun, it's in the moderator contact.  Read it.

LOL

You guys are killing me.  You're ridiculous.  

Ghost Whistler and Marleycat can disagree with me all they like, it doesn't really matter.  We obviously live in two entirely separate skeins of reality, and I'm ok with that.

Quote from: Ghost Whistler;560408Well, the point of his 'theory' is that 40k rpg'ers that are less than satisfied with everything about it should start playing the wargame. This isn't a particularly helpful or practical suggestion given that it's FUCKSHITTINGLY expensive, and not really that helpful at all.
I think the point is that both games share a rules palette. They have similar stats (afaict). It's a crunchy game and so coming to it from the wargame may soften the blow. Beyond that I can't think of any advantage one might get from playing the wargame unless one is utterly unfamiliar with the setting,w hich is a problem in its own right not solved by spending a lot of money on metal figures that will surely become redundant within a couple of years.

It's not a theory, and you got it ass backwards anyways.

What I said was you'll get more mileage from the RPG books if you ALREADY play the wargame, you retarded baboon.  You're right, you shouldn't waste any more of your money.  You're going to need all you can get for plastic surgery to cover up your lobotomy scars.

Quote from: Marleycat;560313Interesting theory I think you're wrong given they target different demographics and a plan like that is bassakwards but whatever.

The target demographic for the rpg's are GW's fans.  How can you not see this?

You don't have to agree with me, but I think it's pretentious on your part to simply deny this.  In fact, how can any of you, just by saying that it's an RPG and therefore isn't connected (or somehow shouldn't be) with what has come before.  It does not exist in a vacuum, but you guys seem to believe that it either does, or should.

I've been saying the same thing every time SOMEONE brings this up for the past FIVE YEARS.  Just on this site.  It was the whole reason I joined the site, to let you guys know so you could have more fun with it instead of panning 40kRPG every single time.

It's a pattern.  You guys don't like these books, which I think are beyond awesome.  Each one.  Literally.  It's a pattern.

My theory has been tested for five years.  Look at my posts.

Quote from: Ladybird;560337They aren't on the website, or in our local store. I suspect it's on the discretion of the store manager.

But if you happened to feel like asking him/her about it, I'm sure people would like to know the answer!

Bloody store is shut on Mondays! I got rained on for nothing.

Although I bumped into some people I know who go in their, and they say the person I know got his from people selling them second hand/trading them rather than the shop itself selling them. So I probably misspoke.

They did say that in their experience a lot of people get the FFG books for the background, but they don't know anyone who actually runs it as a game.

Quote from: Blackhand;560655What I said was you'll get more mileage from the RPG books if you ALREADY play the wargame, you retarded baboon.  

Quote from: Blackhand;560300Basically, it works like this:  if you play the wargame, you will enjoy the 40kRP line.  It will fill in gaps, and you'll find there's a lot of overlap.

Obviously the game is designed for 40k fans, and obviously some of those probabnly a lot of them will be GW customers.

That isn't the same thing as saying the game is aimed at GW fans, at all.

Hardcore 40k gamers probably aren't even roleplayers.

Your attitude is a joke.

Quote from: jadrax;560658Bloody store is shut on Mondays! I got rained on for nothing.

Although I bumped into some people I know who go in their, and they say the person I know got his from people selling them second hand/trading them rather than the shop itself selling them. So I probably misspoke.

They did say that in their experience a lot of people get the FFG books for the background, but they don't know anyone who actually runs it as a game.

I don't know any shop locally that sells both the wargame and rpg stuff. Don't know what GW might say about that.

In my neck of the woods, the FLGS carry both.

Quote from: Ghost Whistler;560662I don't know any shop locally that sells both the wargame and rpg stuff. Don't know what GW might say about that.

There is a new GW store that I have not been to yet, but I can think of at least four local game stores in St. Louis that carry both the miniatures and the rpg line.

As for how many of the wargamers here play the rpg, I'm not sure. Some, but I'm not comfortable saying "most", since I mostly play other miniatures games nowadays, and don't spend a lot of time with the core GW crowd. :shrug:

Quote from: Ghost Whistler;560659Your attitude is a joke.

Dear Kettle,

You are black.

Love,

Pot

Regarding stores carrying both lines, I couldn't see GW objecting - someone wanting new 40k figs won't buy an RP book instead, the products aren't in competition that way, and they don't have objections to stores stocking other minis games which are in competition - but a full GW line (Or, heck, any minis line) is a hefty investment for stores to make, which is probably the real reason you don't see both together.

Modern GW don't produce the sorts of books that are in direct competition with the RP books, with only a few exceptions.

GW have no real right to object, nor to tell retailers what to sell, but it won't be the first time they've tried it on with retailers, never mind their own stores.

I'd be very surprised if GW let stores stock the rpg, even though they've advertised it in White Dwarf (which is a good thing imo). No GW store i know of sells the rpg's. They aren't GW product. Black Library stuff, minis, warhammer rules/codices, are.