Quote from: Ghost Whistler;557836And yet here you are proving my point, time and again.

You're just a muppet mate, go get a life, either that or die of cancer. I couldn't really care less which it is.

This is your stock answer when you lose.  The words are just rearranged.

Your opinion sucks.  It's not that you don't have a right to express it, you're just fucking wrong.  You have the wrong idea.  It's almost as if you mean to have that idea, and the rest of us can hardly fucking believe you're this dense.

Which means you must be goading us on purpose.  I for sure feel that way, that's why I'm fucking hostile to you.

Quote from: Spike;557841And FFG is supposed to care about your personal gaming situation, to cater their book design to the fact that you apparently have to crawl those ten miles with your face in a pile of fire ants the entire way, and thus hauling along an extra book or two is a Big.Fucking.Deal?

what on earth are you moaning about?

Quote from: Blackhand;557845This is your stock answer when you lose.  The words are just rearranged.

Your opinion sucks.  It's not that you don't have a right to express it, you're just fucking wrong.  You have the wrong idea.  It's almost as if you mean to have that idea, and the rest of us can hardly fucking believe you're this dense.

Which means you must be goading us on purpose.  I for sure feel that way, that's why I'm fucking hostile to you.

'when i lose'? What do you think I have lost? All this thread has become is a vehicle for idiots to troll.

You have serious issues pal. 'your opinion sucks', actually no it doesn't. It's entirely valid and until you can provide a reason why it isn't it will remain so. Until then continue failing to understand the difference between the minitaure game and the rpg, and continue choosing to take it extremely personally when I dare to criticise anything remotely related to 40k.

you aren't just hostile, you're in need of anger management.

Quote from: Ghost Whistler;557854what on earth are you moaning about?

I'm sorry, I forgot you were functionally illiterate. You are complaining about a gaming book, the solution to which was to keep your books where you game, at which point you complain about the distance you travel too and from said games.

Which, of course, has absolutely nothing to do at all with the producers of said gaming group, and very little, if anything, to do with the solution to your problem. Since the distance traveled, however, is of such monumental importance to the discussion at hand (that is, the relative worth of humping said books too and from game), one can only assume thereby that each and every inch you travel is already as agonizing and tortuous as humanly possible, thus denying you any possible human endurance required to move a book weighing roughly one, single, pound... which is all it would require for you to transport said book.

None of which, of course, has any relevance upon the fact that the publishers of said book, and the denizens of the internet, have absolutely nothing to do with the gauntlet you must resolutely march weekly for your required gaming  agenda.  The publishers, writers and producers of that which you find necessary for said gaming can not tailor the product to accomodate a gaming lifestyle that is so far beyond the pale that a single gram of weight added to the book that is not of extreme personal relevance to you, Ghost Whistler, is a personal affront of such affrontery that we, the denizens of the internet, must then take up arms and burn the bastards out of hearth and home for the teremity of failing to meet your exacting specifications!

No.

Now, since I am duly notified that you lack the simple reading comprehension to grasp the shorter and more plain version of that delectable diatribe that I have just now set forth, I am duly aware that this new version is merely for the amusement of us web occupants who are forced, time and again, to listen to the pedantic dribblings of a witless buffoon whom, as it happens, seems to believe in gross error that the world does, in fact, revolve around his pecker.

It does not, sir.

Good Day.

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Quote from: Spike;557863I'm sorry, I forgot you were functionally illiterate.

Obviously. As is evident by what can only be described as a coincedental ability to string words together in a way congruent to the use of English.

QuoteYou are complaining about a gaming book, the solution to which was to keep your books where you game, at which point you complain about the distance you travel too and from said games.

I haven't complained about this book at all. You have inferred that out of your own imagination and because you, like the rest of the idiots, didn't actually bother to read what I wrote. Instead, and again, you jump down my throat before actually bothering to read correctly.

Which is ironic given your 'functionally illiterate' comment.

QuoteWhich, of course, has absolutely nothing to do at all with the producers of said gaming group, and very little, if anything, to do with the solution to your problem.

I never claimed it had anything to do with it. I merely stated the simple fact, obviously lost on you, that lugging aroudn lots of heavy books is impractical. Perhaps you have a manservant to do all that for you, or maybe you down a tin of spinach first, I don't know. Nor do I care. Trying to make an issue out of it is ridiculous.

QuoteSince the distance traveled, however, is of such monumental importance to the discussion at hand (that is, the relative worth of humping said books too and from game), one can only assume thereby that each and every inch you travel is already as agonizing and tortuous as humanly possible, thus denying you any possible human endurance required to move a book weighing roughly one, single, pound... which is all it would require for you to transport said book.

Passive aggressive much?

QuoteNow, since I am duly notified that you lack the simple reading comprehension to grasp the shorter and more plain version of that delectable diatribe that I have just now set forth, I am duly aware that this new version is merely for the amusement of us web occupants who are forced, time and again, to listen to the pedantic dribblings of a witless buffoon whom, as it happens, seems to believe in gross error that the world does, in fact, revolve around his pecker.

yes, that's exactly what I said. What a sad life you lead.

Quote from: Ghost Whistler;557865

QuoteObviously. As is evident by what can only be described as a coincedental ability to string words together in a way congruent to the use of English.

Not at all. Literacy is defined by being able to comprehend the written word, something that continues to elude you at every turn.

QuoteI haven't complained about this book at all. You have inferred that out of your own imagination and because you, like the rest of the idiots, didn't actually bother to read what I wrote. Instead, and again, you jump down my throat before actually bothering to read correctly.

Which is ironic given your 'functionally illiterate' comment.

Tragically, I have read what you wrote far too often for my liking. Your inability to communicate simply concepts is only outmatched by your inability to grasp other simple concepts. Also, you have no more idea what is, or is not, ironic than Alanis Morrisette.  I would pity you if I did not already find you a reprehensible individual with poor personal hygiene and a general lack of common decency.

QuoteI never claimed it had anything to do with it. I merely stated the simple fact, obviously lost on you, that lugging aroudn lots of heavy books is impractical. Perhaps you have a manservant to do all that for you, or maybe you down a tin of spinach first, I don't know. Nor do I care. Trying to make an issue out of it is ridiculous.

If you find lugging around lots of heavy books, then don't do it you spineless shivering blob of suet.  Do not, however, expect the book makers to be particularly saddened by your plight.  If you desire such books, then simply understand, like so many adults do, that you will either have to find some means of overcoming your tragic inability to carry a 1 pound book or do without.  You, and no one else, has made a matter of public record the hurdles you must overcome to simply make use of a game book. You alone are unique in that you must travel too and from games whilst carrying such books, and you alone among all humanity... should I deign to consider you a member of such lofty society... expect others to actually care.

QuotePassive aggressive much?

Oh, not at all. I'm quite actively aggressive you simpering snot.

Quoteyes, that's exactly what I said. What a sad life you lead.

Are you still here?  Ah yes, how silly of me, I forgot your inability to understand what 'Good Day' means.  Run along now and find your mum so you can dictate to her the bitter tears of your impotent rage for my amusement.

Quote from: Ghost Whistler;557791That explains nothing.

It explains everything. FFG do not have full control over their 40k product line, because they are merely a licensee; GW has to authorise everything they send to print. They were aware of this when they went into the contracts, so there's no point complaining about it on their behalf, but that's the nature of licensing.

(Ditto their WFRP line, but that's not relevant right now)

So the next time they publish a book that still doesn't have the content you want in it, how about buying a book that does instead? Instead of spending £30 on a stuff that you don't want, spend £6.79 on stuff you do. Tons of great fluff in the 2e codexes, that's utterly relevant for the RPG because it's the same setting. Hell, someone at your store may even be willing to give you an old copy for free, if you ask nicely.

Quote from: Ladybird;557949Hell, someone at your store may even be willing to give you an old copy for free, if you ask nicely.

Old edition army books / codeci tend to accumulate in a pile in my gaming group, right about the time new versions of that book come out.  I keep one and give the rest away.

Quote from: Ladybird;557949It explains everything. FFG do not have full control over their 40k product line, because they are merely a licensee; GW has to authorise everything they send to print. They were aware of this when they went into the contracts, so there's no point complaining about it on their behalf, but that's the nature of licensing.

(Ditto their WFRP line, but that's not relevant right now)

So the next time they publish a book that still doesn't have the content you want in it, how about buying a book that does instead? Instead of spending £30 on a stuff that you don't want, spend £6.79 on stuff you do. Tons of great fluff in the 2e codexes, that's utterly relevant for the RPG because it's the same setting. Hell, someone at your store may even be willing to give you an old copy for free, if you ask nicely.

I didn't spend £30 on stuff I don't want at all. Not even remotely close.

Neither of us are party to the license between GW and FFG nor the decisions that are made. We can only speculate, the same as everyone else.

However I simply do not believe that what I regard as questionable planning decisions on the part of FFG are down to GW not letting them do things. The problems are twofold: a lack of proper editing (including playtesting), and a lack of planning. Those are nothing to do with the license.

For example: the decision to scatter info on Xenos like the Eldar/Dark Eldar across different books is just bad planning. It makes no sense to assume that GW licensed that stuff under only those conditions; that they said "you can use the Dark Eldar, but you must put some stuff in the back of Black Crusade, then Only War, and then you may only include Kabalite chargen/more Dark Eldar stuff (possibly including Comorraggh) in a published adventure book."

So that's three at least different disparate books across three different game lines, with all their peculiar compatibility wrinkles, to get something that could have been put in a single source: a big Xeno Bestiary, for example.

And speaking of compatibility wrinkles, the Splinter Rifle stats in Only War list the Toxic effect at 2, where it's 4 in Black Crusade. Now 4 is absurdly high (-40 on your Toughness test to resist) so 2 makes more sense, but the errata for BC doesn't include this change, nor have FFG given any indication it would be. But then their errata is not complete. Again I do not believe that's down to GW.

The point about carrying loads of books is quite relevant because it is a matter of efficiency. Not only is it inefficient for me to carry all of this, but having to cross reference these books between a group of players, for example while creating characters, or a voidship, is messy. If the material was presented more coherently then great. Their adventure books are the same; for example the third RT adventure book features a Craftworld and has a lot of Eldar material that could be used beyond that single adventure. Why not present, say, the ship stats it contains, within Battlefleet Koronus: the starship book for RT. In fact they could have made a more generic vehicle/starship/armoury book. Each game has a lot of equipment and a largely unique Armoury section with stuff other game characters might want, e4specially the RT books, with all the weird unique alien and archaeotech.

So Black Crusade characters can feasibly use Infamy to acquire this stuff,. A centralised handbook or source would make this a lot more efficient instead of bringing the Rogue Trader and at least Into the Storm and Hostile Acquisitions to the table so my heretic players can peruse all the contents to find something they might like to acquire (as Infamy allows them to have a shot at acquiring anything). With players that aren't intrinsically familiar with the setting and it's armoury they are going to need to see what's available first.

Goddamn, you such a bloody fucking git.

Quote from: Ghost Whistler;558094However I simply do not believe that what I regard as questionable planning decisions on the part of FFG are down to GW not letting them do things. The problems are twofold: a lack of proper editing (including playtesting), and a lack of planning. Those are nothing to do with the license.

You just don't fucking understand.  Give it up.  

It's not questionable, as most of us fans dig it as exactly what we needed.

You're mad it's not what you wanted, but since from everything you say you don't want it to be even remotely related to 40k.  No matter what anyone says, you just continue to bitch and puff hot air.  That's all you're doing.  Nothing you are saying means anything because it's fucking pointless.

You're never going be able to voice your ridiculous "opinions" without being publicly ridiculed.  They are stupid opinions.

You do not get to say "They are my opinions, they are valid no matter what you say."  They are not.  That reeks of a child that never gets spankings and gets trophies just for participating.

Shut the fuck up, and go away.

Why don't you *edit* ban yourself?  We shouldn't have to put up with your *edit* year after year.  I hate it but I'm contemplating adding you to my ignore list, which contains 0 other folk.  That's how *edit* annoying you are.

Quote from: Blackhand;558135They are stupid opinions.

It's hard to argue against logic like that.

Do you come with batteries?

Now here's the crux of your dissatisfaction with the design of the line, as I have told you before.

The RPG line was made (specifically) for players of the wargame, which shares a market with RPG'rs, whether you like that idea or not.

You do not play or own any (few) wargaming materials.

You do not believe you should purchase such materials.

You do not understand how the product feels incomplete.

Quote from: jeff37923;558099Goddamn, you such a bloody fucking git.

Quotegit (plural gits)

1.(UK, slang, pejorative) A contemptible person.
2.(UK, slang, pejorative) A silly, incompetent, stupid, annoying, or childish person.

A bit over the top but yeah it fits.

Quote from: Ghost Whistler;558094For example: the decision to scatter info on Xenos like the Eldar/Dark Eldar across different books is just bad planning.

Did you ever consider, for one second, that it could actually have been planned that way?  

Maybe, to accommodate people who have other information than what you yourself glean from reading the cryptic manuals?

Also, the Dark Eldar that you fight in BC have way more balls than those you fight in say...DH or OW.  That's the game's mechanics.  You'd be bitchin it was weak if it was given at 2 in BC.