...is finally here. Almost three years later.

It's about what I'd expect from FFG. Like all their stuff I have no burning issue with what they've included (i don't know of any errors though i'm sure knowing FFG they will soon come to light), but it's more a question of what they didn't include and how it's organised. The first chapter is a fair selection of critters and monsters. The next chapter is races which is what people really want.

You do wonder why they didn't include this stuff in something like Edge of the Abyss. It's a bit haphazard again: that book has a bunch of NPC's wheras this gives more info on, say, the Eldar as a whole. In fact they could easily have fleshed it out some more and given us rules for creating our own Eldar (they are doing something similar with Soul Reaver). Hopefully this Eldar stuff is cross compatible because it would be very useful for everygame; Deathwatch marines can now fight an avatar of Khaine, for instance. I'm guessing the Dark Eldar content was excised for Soul Reaver, which again is a bonkers idea. It could have been included here surely; a write up for he Dark Eldar just the same as the regular Eldar. Again FFG resort to this scattershot approach: there's some DE in the BC rlebook and in OW, and in Soul Reaver (whenever that's released). I wish to god they'd think this all through a bit more.

No HArlequins though, they are in Black Crusade. So it's not a thorough treatment of the Eldar (there's probably a ton more that's missing, even without the Harlequins - I don't recall seeing any Farseer rules).

FFG are a strange company. I really would love for them to explain themselves, but it's not for want ot asking. The beauty of the 40k universe is that it's already there; all FFG has to do is pick up the ball. Oddly enough there is no Kroot section in this book. Ok we have Kroot chargen in Into the Storm, Kroot Warspheres in Battlefleet Koronus, and some Kroot in Edge of the Abyss (that's an extra three books to carry to the game session, better hire a servitor). But there is nothing on them in the race section here. Seems weird. Naturally nothing on Tau, Tyranids nor Necrons for reasons already established.

It's meant to go with all the other pieces.  It does a fantastic job of filling in holes in the overall 40k experience.

As usual, you're saying it's shitty and somehow FFG just isn't doing it good enough.  Yet, it's terminally obvious you can't see the 40k Forest for the D&D Trees.

Meaning you aren't getting the 40k setup because you expect it to be nicely packaged up in self contained volumes.  

It will never be neatly packaged, for reasons already established.  FFG did as good a job as anyone could, and exceeded expectations across the board already.

Quote from: Blackhand;557499It's meant to go with all the other pieces.  It does a fantastic job of filling in holes in the overall 40k experience.

As usual, you're saying it's shitty and somehow FFG just isn't doing it good enough.  Yet, it's terminally obvious you can't see the 40k Forest for the D&D Trees.

Meaning you aren't getting the 40k setup because you expect it to be nicely packaged up in self contained volumes.  

It will never be neatly packaged, for reasons already established.  FFG did as good a job as anyone could, and exceeded expectations across the board already.

You are Christian Petersen and I claim my five pounds.

You can calm yoursel' down buddy boy, I didn't describe it as shitty at all.

I have no idea what a 40k Forest and D&D Trees are. I don't play DnD.

Actually I liked the book. You could use the Death Watch Bestiary also if you lower the power level.

i really need to doublecheck threads before opening them.  i saw RT and thought, "neat!"  

should've noticed that GW started the thread.  would've known that off the bat it would be a bitchfest :rolleyes: :banghead:

Hey, Ghost Whistler! Would you like some cheese with that?

Quote from: Benoist;557511Hey, Ghost Whistler! Would you like some cheese with that?

With what?

Quote from: Ghost Whistler;557513With what?

With that whine.

Quote from: Benoist;557514With that whine.

what whine?

Quote from: Ghost Whistler;557516what whine?

The OP that you claim isn't a pan.

Quote from: Ghost Whistler;557516what whine?

It does come off as whining even though I don't think you are really. As for the Eldar they MIGHT do something either for Rogue Trader/Black Crusade/Deathwatch but I wouldn't hold my breath given they seem to want the games to be very humancentric.

Quote from: Ghost Whistler;557501You are Christian Petersen and I claim my five pounds.

What?

Quote from: Ghost Whistler;557501You can calm yoursel' down buddy boy, I didn't describe it as shitty at all.

Lie.

Quote from: Ghost Whistler;557501I have no idea what a 40k Forest and D&D Trees are. I don't play DnD.

Explained.

Quote from: Ghost Whistler;557482(that's an extra three books to carry to the game session, better hire a servitor)

If you had a printer, or a scanner/printer, or even just access to either, you could copy the relevant pages and just take those along. Or print the relevant pages from the .pdf. Or ask a friend with any of that kit to do any of the above.

Or copy the relevant bits into your GM notes.

Quote from: Ladybird;557523If you had a printer, or a scanner/printer, or even just access to either, you could copy the relevant pages and just take those along. Or print the relevant pages from the .pdf. Or ask a friend with any of that kit to do any of the above.

Or copy the relevant bits into your GM notes.

This problem is solved by keeping the books in your gaming area.  Right next to all the miniatures and terrain.

Quote from: Blackhand;557525This problem is solved by keeping the books in your gaming area.  Right next to all the miniatures and terrain.

You are ridiculous.

My gaming area is 10 miles away from me. We don't play in my house, and no, that isn't going to change.

What miniatures and terrain do you think I own? YOu do know I'm referring to the rpg here, right?