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WotC is better at producing buzzwords than they are at producing products.

Started by B.T., June 05, 2012, 02:00:02 AM

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B.T.

June 05, 2012, 02:00:02 AM
4e's big ones were:

• Exception-based design.
• Effects-based design.
• Design tech.
• Economy of actions.

I'm sure there were others that I'm missing.  5e is in the alpha stages and they're already working overtime at shoveling shit at us:

• Modularity.
• Flatter math.
• Bounded accuracy.

If they were half as good at writing the game as they are at bullshitting, we'd have a decent D&D game to play.
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#1
June 05, 2012, 02:12:12 AM
Quote from: B.T.;545966If they were half as good at writing the game as they are at bullshitting, we'd have a decent D&D game to play.
I *do* have a decent D&D game to play...
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#2
June 05, 2012, 03:32:13 AM
Don't forget: Flavour.

jg
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Exploderwizard

#3
June 05, 2012, 09:33:55 AM
After 12 or so years of this from WOTC why is it suprising?
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Tetsubo

#4
June 05, 2012, 09:53:00 AM
When a company is run by suits and not gamers, are you surprised?

Bobloblah

#5
June 05, 2012, 10:08:32 AM
Quote from: Tetsubo;546027When a company is run by suits and not gamers, are you surprised?

When you have legions of rabid fans slavering over every tiny morsel released, are you surprised when marketing-speak takes over?
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Marleycat

#6
June 05, 2012, 11:35:40 AM
Meh. Whatever, what do you expect in a market driven economy?
Don\'t mess with cats we kill wizards in one blow.;)

Benoist

#7
June 05, 2012, 11:36:30 AM
What I want to know is how Balanced it is, and the amount of Fluff and Crunch in the game.

Marleycat

#9
June 05, 2012, 11:42:09 AM Last Edit: June 05, 2012, 11:44:43 AM by Marleycat
Quote from: Benoist;546076What I want to know is how Balanced it is, and the amount of Fluff and Crunch in the game.

That's going to take awhile to ascertain. It definitely looks like they're going with a pre 4e writing style though.
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Sacrosanct

#10
June 05, 2012, 11:43:19 AM
I work for a large corporation.  Buzzwords are my mainstay.  One of my buddies decided to start writing down every buzzword he heard on conference calls and post the sticky notes on his wall.  His wall is completely full right now.

Synergy
Worry about the big rocks
pick the low hanging fruit

the list goes on and on.  If I ever own a company with employees, I'll make buzzwords a sack worthy offense.
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Bedrockbrendan

#11
June 05, 2012, 11:55:15 AM
Quote4e's big ones were:

• Exception-based design.
• Effects-based design.
• Design tech.
• Economy of actions.

I'm sure there were others that I'm missing.  5e is in the alpha stages and they're already working overtime at shoveling shit at us:

• Modularity.
• Flatter math.
• Bounded accuracy.

If they were half as good at writing the game as they are at bullshitting, we'd have a decent D&D game to play.

I agree there is an over-abundance of these. Bounded accuracy especially annoys me. Flatter math is actually an important concept though ( I would probably call it contained math but the idea is the same).

If the buzzword arises out of a real need for a new term, fine. But if it clouds discussion, it is a bit annoying when these things go mainstream.

Marleycat

#12
June 05, 2012, 12:02:28 PM Last Edit: June 05, 2012, 12:04:42 PM by Marleycat
Quote from: BedrockBrendan;546087I agree there is an over-abundance of these. Bounded accuracy especially annoys me. Flatter math is actually an important concept though ( I would probably call it contained math but the idea is the same).

If the buzzword arises out of a real need for a new term, fine. But if it clouds discussion, it is a bit annoying when these things go mainstream.

All bounded accuracy and flat math means is hard caps where's the confusion?
Don\'t mess with cats we kill wizards in one blow.;)

Benoist

#13
June 05, 2012, 12:02:33 PM
Quote from: Marleycat;546080That's going to take awhile to ascertain. It definitely looks like they're going with a pre 4e writing style though.

I seriously hope they reconsider. I hate RPGs written like toaster oven manuals talking about their rules in a vacuum like it's a freaking buzzword salad redefining common words like "prone" for the sake of it. Fuck that noise.

Sacrosanct

#14
June 05, 2012, 12:05:48 PM
The big one now is "verisimilitude"

I swear no one used that until a couple people did, and now everyone is is using it in some attempt to look smart.
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