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Pathfinder 2nd Edition predictions?

Started by Bloody Stupid Johnson, December 29, 2011, 05:00:59 AM

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Ancientgamer1970

#15
December 30, 2011, 12:42:13 AM Last Edit: December 30, 2011, 12:45:13 AM by Ancientgamer1970
Quote from: JDCorley;498654I heard they thought about hiring a new person. So therefore Pathfinder 2e will be out in February 2012.

Total BULLSHIT...


QuoteWhat the title says...anyone have any predictions as to when there might be a new edition of Pathfinder? Thoughts as to what this might look like?

Not happening anytime soon....

JDCorley

#16
December 30, 2011, 09:01:27 AM
Quote from: Ancientgamer1970;498811Total BULLSHIT...

You don't say!

finarvyn

#17
December 30, 2011, 12:26:23 PM
I don't really see any reason for Pathfinder to change in the short run, so a new edition should be a while off. At my local game store, folks are still buying rulebooks and modules and stuff like that at a pretty decent pace. Why should they mess with a good thing?
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Serious Paul

#18
December 30, 2011, 12:27:53 PM
Hmmm maybe if there is a second edition the prices on the first edition will drop and I'll actually snag some hard copies.

Endless Flight

#19
December 30, 2011, 01:51:09 PM
Why even bother with a second edition? If it ain't broke, don't fix it. And if it is broke, just fix it with errata and put in in the next printing. Just keep pumping out the same book with the same cover for years (or decades) with small differences along the way. If somebody doesn't want to pay for a new physical copy with the errata, they can print off a copy of the errata or buy/update their PDF file.

Rincewind1

#20
December 30, 2011, 02:07:17 PM
QuoteWhy even bother with a second edition?

Money.

Let's remember those people run a business. Plus, there's no perfect RPG. Of course, you can fix that what's not broken in a bad way, that's another discussion though.
Furthermore, I consider that  This is Why We Don\'t Like You thread should be closed

Endless Flight

#21
December 30, 2011, 02:13:24 PM
Quote from: Rincewind1;498991Money.

Let's remember those people run a business. Plus, there's no perfect RPG. Of course, you can fix that what's not broken in a bad way, that's another discussion though.

They do run a business, but some books (and games) are printed for years without major changes. I know the Monopoly example has been used countless times. Many people read (don't play) RPGs and many books are never changed as well. Just reprinted with different covers when movies are made, etc.

I don't see why Paizo would have to follow the TSR/WotC method of pumping out new editions every three-five years.

Rincewind1

#22
December 30, 2011, 02:17:01 PM
Indeed, but when you want a true jump in the sales, do you reprint, or do you make a sequel to a successful book/movie/album?
Furthermore, I consider that  This is Why We Don\'t Like You thread should be closed

Endless Flight

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December 30, 2011, 02:18:35 PM Last Edit: December 30, 2011, 02:20:45 PM by Endless Flight
Quote from: Rincewind1;498997Indeed, but when you want a true jump in the sales, do you reprint, or do you make a sequel to a successful book/movie/album?

It depends if the jump in sales is worth the fans who jump off the ship after they find out what happened to their favorite game. Did 3.5 or 4E make more customers for Wizards than it lost?

I'm not particularly against new editions, mind you. I have more of a problem with wholesale changes just for the sake of change.

Rincewind1

#24
December 30, 2011, 02:21:03 PM
Quote from: Endless Flight;499000It depends if the jump in sales is worth the fans who jump off the ship after they find out what happened to their favorite game. Did 3.5 or 4E make more customers for Wizards than it lost?

But 4E sold much better then another reprint of 3E would sell, or just another supplement for it.
Furthermore, I consider that  This is Why We Don\'t Like You thread should be closed

Endless Flight

#25
December 30, 2011, 02:33:05 PM
Quote from: Rincewind1;499004But 4E sold much better then another reprint of 3E would sell, or just another supplement for it.

It might be a good short-term plan, but I'm not sure it works long-term. How well will 5th edition sell in comparison to 3rd and 4th?

Rincewind1

#26
December 30, 2011, 02:35:19 PM
Quote from: Endless Flight;499012It might be a good short-term plan, but I'm not sure it works long-term. How well will 5th edition sell in comparison to 3rd and 4th?

I can safely assume on my observations of how sequels sell, that it will still sell better compared to any add - on published at this point for 4E or 3E. 5E might be a flop compared to 3E, but only because of 4E's failure - but that's not the case with Pathfinder now, is it? And still, 4E from commercial standpoint, was a success.

It's a simple logic of market satiation. Whoever bought stuff for 3E, mostly bought it, same for 4E. Of course there's a loyal cadre of fans that'll keep on buying, but part those fans, as well as part of those satiated, will buy a new edition.
Furthermore, I consider that  This is Why We Don\'t Like You thread should be closed

JDCorley

#27
December 30, 2011, 03:05:01 PM
Well, 3e was an amazing success. No edition, no matter what it is, is likely to ever hit those numbers again. And as great as it did, it didn't do anything like the original Red Box's success.  The hobby will NEVER hit those numbers again.  Most people making decisions like this (the ones that know what they're doing) compare the numbers to current expectations, not to previous editions. 3e was 10 years ago now, the entire world lost their jobs and all their money in the intervening time.

B.T.

#28
December 30, 2011, 03:27:35 PM
Quote from: Endless Flight;498983Why even bother with a second edition? If it ain't broke, don't fix it. And if it is broke, just fix it with errata and put in in the next printing.
Because it is broke?  Not in a "here's a combo that can break the game" kind of way, but in a "this stops functioning properly after seventh level or so" kind of way.
Quote from: Black Vulmea;530561Y\'know, I\'ve learned something from this thread. Both B.T. and Koltar are idiots, but whereas B.T. possesses a malign intelligence, Koltar is just a drooling fuckwit.

So, that\'s something, I guess.

Endless Flight

#29
December 30, 2011, 03:46:12 PM
Quote from: B.T.;499054Because it is broke?  Not in a "here's a combo that can break the game" kind of way, but in a "this stops functioning properly after seventh level or so" kind of way.

How many editions does it take to fix a broken rule?
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