Quote from: gleichman;415100Then change it to harbouring someone who kicks little old ladies crossing the street or strangling kittens if you like.

The concept still holds. Pundit is highly disgusting and is just about as bad as it can get online short of the likes of skinheads- and you're keeping a roof over his head in exchange for having one over yours.

Don't be upset when outsiders note that it reflects badly upon you. Because it does.

Or change it to harbouring someone who let's knobheads come into his home, which he pay's for, invite them to talk freely only to have them bad mouth him in front of other house guests and talk utter shit.

Reality check, I'm not upset at all because IT'S AN RPG FORUM!

Hey here's a radical idea, why not start or post in a thread about a fucking roleplaying game instead of whining like an old woman.

Gleichman, I have no idea who you are, but jumping in here saying we are defending a murderer is a really shitty thing to do.

Quote from: gleichman;415090Nicely said.

But completely wrong I'm afraid. What would you think of a family the maintained the home and safety for the actions of a mass murderer because they liked having a roof over their heads.

RPGPundit is the face of theRPGPundit- you're (all of you) are background noise and enablers.

Get help.

Quote from: Monster Manuel;415103Gleichman- There is a difference between hyperbole and analogy. Analogies are best used to describe something outside of the audience's normal experience; things like economical principles, cosmological concepts, what-have-you. Comparing someone who types things you don't like about rpgs to a serial killer or kitten-choker is...a bit hyperbolic.

It seems that the idea of one person's rep reflecting upon those who stand alongside him is out of this audience's experience. Therefore the reach for something that would maybe (highly unlikely I admit) shock them into considering a new thought.

That fact it was neccessary is really sad if you think about it.

That it's produced denial and no reflection at all is even more sad. People don't like mirrors being held up to themselves, so I expected nothing else. But it's the tought that counts.

I think I've said all there is to be said now. I've completed my LotRO farming now in any case. Anyone who needs to contact me can find me at my blog.

Quote from: gleichman;415102So if you're upset with me being here

I'm not upset at you being here. I certainly wouldn't mind if you stuck around for a while and focused on what's cool about the place rather than go on a crusade against the Pundit.

Quote from: gleichman;415108It seems that the idea of one person's rep reflecting upon those who stand alongside him is out of this audience's experience. Therefore the reach for something that would maybe (highly unlikely I admit) shock them into considering a new thought.

That fact it was neccessary is really sad if you think about it.

That it's produced denial and no reflection at all is even more sad. People don't like mirrors being held up to themselves, so I expected nothing else. But it's the tought that counts.

I think I've said all there is to be said now. I've completed my LotRO farming now in any case. Anyone who needs to contact me can find me at my blog.

Thank you for holding a mirror to our failings, and thus making the internet a safer place for us to raise our kids. I bet if we kicked Pundit out of his own site, property values would skyrocket, I'd be able to sell my Victorian on the corner of this thread and the other one to a nice young couple, and crime would go down. If you've only reached one young thug considering a life of Forum posting here, you've earned a place in the annals of Internet History.

I don't know what we'd do without you.

Sometimes it's easy to forget just how many secret online nerd wars we are all unwitting front line soldiers in.

Quote from: Cole;415117Sometimes it's easy to forget just how many secret online nerd wars we are all unwitting front line soldiers in.

The horror...

Quote from: EBM;415118The horror...

"I have seen a slug, crawing on the edge of a DMG...

...it's been my dream, it's been my nightmare...crawling on the edge of a dungeon master's guide...and living.

The horror...the horror."

Quote from: gleichman;415090Nicely said.

But completely wrong I'm afraid. What would you think of a family the maintained the home and safety for the actions of a mass murderer because they liked having a roof over their heads.

RPGPundit is the face of theRPGPundit- you're (all of you) are background noise and enablers.

That's just massively offensive.

And i can guarantee such a ridiculous comment wouldn't be tolerable over there.

Quote from: gleichman;415090Nicely said.

But completely wrong I'm afraid. What would you think of a family the maintained the home and safety for the actions of a mass murderer because they liked having a roof over their heads.

RPGPundit is the face of theRPGPundit- you're (all of you) are background noise and enablers.

Your shitty little comment gives me the chance to demonstrate why I love this forum.

Go fuck yourself and the worm you slithered in on, gleichman.

You wouldn't be able to say that on a forum where Free Speech wasn't the owner's main reason for its existence. I am happy to enable the Free Speech ideals promoted by RPGPundit.

Quote from: Levi Kornelsen;415004And yet, despite your view of said post, he was not incited.  And, when he wasn't, I was very much cool with that.  

This is because he actually understood that post.  Which, yes, painted this forum as a purely cruel and awful place (which was dumb, and for which I have apologized), but which wasn't actually an incitement.

I know you want it to be, so that I've done something malicious as well as something stupid.  But, no, that's not the case.

You're having a fucking laugh here.

Quote from: Imperator;414873I adjust my behaviour to the rules of the place I am in, and the persons I'm interacting with.

What Levi is saying is that he behaves differently according to the place he is. How is that worth discussing?

It's a bit different, because in one place he's not adjusting his behaviour, he's moderating others' behaviour. In your case, you adjust to the existing culture of the various places. In Levi's case, he helps determine the culture of the place.

It's like the difference between being the worker on the factory floor, and the manager. If you're a worker, you get to say, "well, that's the culture of the place." If you're the manager, you don't get to say that - since you determine the culture. If you're a journalist, okay, it's the culture. If you're the editor - the culture is you.

Sure, Levi's not the only one who does it. He can't change everything on his own. But has he tried? Well, yes, he has tried to change the culture of the place. Not satisfied with banning people for offensive speech, he's now suggested banning them for provoking offensive speech. That is, he wants to formalise the existing unwritten rule, "if we don't like you, you're out."

He's not tried to change the culture of the place except to make it more restrictive. Far from adjusting to the existing culture, he's tried to make it a more distilled version of what it already is.

Quote from: Dan DavenportI gotta say, though, I find it especially galling to have been run out of the clubhouse in part by someone who isn't even a gamer.

(Yeah, I went there, Nina. Sorry. It's true.)

Careful, Dan. I was actually banned for that. It was... Keshu? Some name like that. He said, "I don't consider myself a gamer."
In another thread, someone mentioned Monte Cook, he said, "Who's that? Never heard of him."
I replied, "Of course not, only gamers would have heard of Monte Cook."
And that was that, I was permabanned. Saying someone's not a gamer is a personal attack. So Nina might permaban you now.

Quote from: Zacharay the FirstI'm not sure I get being a non-gamer and being an admin on a gaming forum. I'm trying to imagine what motives I would have for being the admin of a forum for a hobby I have zero interest in, say, fly fishing or horticulture.

Loneliness.

Seriously. I mean, I post on forums a lot more when I'm not gaming, or when I've a few days off work. And I'm hardly unique in that. There are much worse than me. People with no work, or a job which they don't enjoy or doesn't challenge them. People with no family, few friends in real life. And no other hobbies. So their hobby becomes... teh interwebz.

I don't pretend to know Nina's personal affairs. But speaking in general, it's long been apparent that there are a LOT of VERY lonely people on Tangency. Thus... "but we're a community!"

Quote from: thedungeondelver;415122"I have seen a slug, crawing on the edge of a DMG...

...it's been my dream, it's been my nightmare...crawling on the edge of a dungeon master's guide...and living.

The horror...the horror."

funny stuff.

Quote from: gleichman;415108It seems that the idea of one person's rep reflecting upon those who stand alongside him is out of this audience's experience. Therefore the reach for something that would maybe (highly unlikely I admit) shock them into considering a new thought.

I think this only holds true to casual observation - like Levi initially did upthread. If you're trying to say that we're all willing little soldiers in Pundit's war, i disagree. If you're trying to say that just by us being here, we're giving him a larger platform he wouldn't otherwise have, well that's harder to dismiss. However, unlike other places on the net where your analogies might hold water, the people under Pundit's roof piss in his breakfast, swear at him when he walks in the room and take lumps out of the plaster when he's not looking.