Quote from: Dan Davenport;414944Heh. That's very kind of you, EBM. Unfortunately, I have plenty of review copies right now for which I've promised reviews on RPGnet, and I'm a man of my word, the opinions of the Hivemind notwithstanding.

Am I to assume that, like me, you don't really need to go out asking for review copies, but rather publishers come to you?
Why not tell them about theRPGsite. We have a lot of publishers represented here, including (among the big boys) Columbia Games and Cubicle 7, and publishers and authors are always welcome to have people join in and join the conversations, as long as they can take the heat.

Plus, I'm willing to bet that something much closer to 100% of our members are actual gamers, as opposed to the ever-diminishing minority of members who are actual gamers at rpgnet.  We're hardcore, so we're a very good place to put up a Review.
You could start by offering to post the reviews you've committed to here AS WELL as rpgnet (if you must) and then sell them on the idea that reviews here are very fruitful. A site with both the Pundit and Dan Davenport among its reviewers would be the powerhouse of RPG reviews, and I'd be willing to bet that we'd have people joining up here just for the reviews forum.

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Quote from: Dan Davenport;414953Nope, not unless you count trying gaming a handful of times. I think it probably does say a lot about the influence of Tangency that a non-gamer is qualified to be an Admin at RPGnet.

How many of the current modclique are still really gamers, if they ever were?
I know that, at least a few years ago, Levi was gaming regularly, and I have no reason to think he isn't still, but how many others?  I'm pretty sure whatever kind of roleplaying Curt was doing, his dungeons weren't the same as what most of us would think of...

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Quote from: Benoist;415038So you flip-flop, now? You recognized the facts earlier, but now, you were merely trying to dissuade him from taking on the RPG Site? And you'd still have watched and enjoyed it?

You know, I don't like Levi's ideas much. He's not just drunk the Kool-Aid, he's taken a bath in it.

But I don't see the crime here after reading the post on the other forum. He expresses the opinion that someone who agrees with him argues well and that he'd enjoy watching him take Pundit apart. So what?

And Pundit would enjoy it as well, he gets to play big shot once again. It's why in his mind this board exists.

While I can well understand how everyone else here doesn't need such a thing taking up board space (if only you could put him on the ignore list, ah wish in one hand and...), I'm afraid it's what you buy into when you post here (and why with very rare exception- I don't).

Quote from: Cole;414954But perhaps something along these lines?

We are not amused, and my family would be less so. I'll be sticking with Bill, thanks.

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Quote from: RPGPundit;415043We are not amused, and my family would be less so. I'll be sticking with Bill, thanks.

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I have to say I can scarcely blame you. Maybe Imperator can adopt her?

Quote from: Dan Davenport;415037Really? What games? Seriously, no snark intended -- if she games now, this is a new development. She made it plain in the past that she was not a gamer. I know she tried one game back at GenCon '05, IIRC, and felt that it was a disaster.

Eh.  Her personal life is hers to share, or not; I'm not sure why the first bit was even a thing.

Quote from: Dan Davenport;415037I'd have preferred the chance to defend myself. Given the way things turned out, you'll have to forgive me if I find it hard to believe that the lock was out of kindness.

Man, you're not the only one with frustrations.  I do understand yours, for whatever that might be worth.

Quote from: RPGPundit;415030Hi Dan.. nice to see you here!

You know, if you hang around, and started posting Reviews here instead of on RPG.net, there would officially be no contest between the two offerings in the relative sites.  You and I are probably the two most significant reviewers out there, and if we were on the same site it would be like,  the Dream Team for reviews around here.

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Thanks for the kind (re-)welcome.

Quote from: RPGPundit;415040Am I to assume that, like me, you don't really need to go out asking for review copies, but rather publishers come to you?

It's a bit of both, actually.

Quote from: RPGPundit;415030Why not tell them about theRPGsite. We have a lot of publishers represented here, including (among the big boys) Columbia Games and Cubicle 7, and publishers and authors are always welcome to have people join in and join the conversations, as long as they can take the heat.

Plus, I'm willing to bet that something much closer to 100% of our members are actual gamers, as opposed to the ever-diminishing minority of members who are actual gamers at rpgnet.  We're hardcore, so we're a very good place to put up a Review.
You could start by offering to post the reviews you've committed to here AS WELL as rpgnet (if you must) and then sell them on the idea that reviews here are very fruitful. A site with both the Pundit and Dan Davenport among its reviewers would be the powerhouse of RPG reviews, and I'd be willing to bet that we'd have people joining up here just for the reviews forum.

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First of all, I'm certainly flattered.

And I'll definitely consider your offer. Having had my access to a large swath of RPGnet cut off, I admit that I'm disinclined to continue offering my services as a reviewer there.

(I can't believe I've been writing reviews since before there were forums of any kind there.)

Quote from: gleichman;415042But I don't see the crime here after reading the post on the other forum. He expresses the opinion that someone who agrees with him argues well and that he'd enjoy watching him take Pundit apart. So what?

The bit at the end there, where I tell him that it'll make him into something nasty, and accomplish nothing, that doesn't register?

Quote from: RPGPundit;415041How many of the current modclique are still really gamers, if they ever were?
I know that, at least a few years ago, Levi was gaming regularly, and I have no reason to think he isn't still, but how many others?  I'm pretty sure whatever kind of roleplaying Curt was doing, his dungeons weren't the same as what most of us would think of...

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I think most of them are gamers to some extent, with Real Life getting in the way as it is wont to do for many of them (myself included).

Nina is the only one who's ever described herself as not being a gamer, AFAIK. Now, if Levi says that's no longer the case, I take him at his word.

Quote from: gleichman;415042But I don't see the crime here after reading the post on the other forum. He expresses the opinion that someone who agrees with him argues well and that he'd enjoy watching him take Pundit apart. So what?

There is a serious amount of hypocrisy going on, along with constant rhetorical flip-flopping, and seriously, I'm starting to think it's all in bad faith. The problem comes from mister saying the RPG Site is a cesspool of shit, then going on about bringing people in to create a shitstorm, him enjoying it, how it ties into his strange feeling of superiority, his ethical stance on the subject of anything having to do with comparisons that involve the RPG Site and RPGnet, and anecdotically speaking the fact that he is a mod on RPGnet and thus feels validated in the way the mods handle things there the more there are shitstorms here, on the RPG Site.

If you don't find that objectionable, man, then by all means, I'm just not going to trust anything you're going to post, because you just might say the complete reverse at that other site, wherever.

It's just like that guy coming to you and telling you your girlfriend is a bitch after you had an argument with her, and then inviting one of his buddies to go screw her when you're not looking.

Quote from: Levi Kornelsen;415049The bit at the end there, where I tell him that it'll make him into something nasty, that doesn't register?

Not really. It was just you excusing why you're not doing it and providing fair warning. If anything, it seems more fair on your part. Nothing more than saying "He who fights monsters...".

Quote from: gleichman;414961I never claimed to be anything, and in fact I've always was upfront in stating that I'm unimportant in this hobby. I'm just a GM and player, one of millions. With opinions that may be right or wrong. And either way, it's a small thing because we're talking about small things.

You know I figured you'd show up here.  So what is this going to be, round #258 of you coming back only to announce you're "going away forever"?

QuoteBut you, that is a different matter. You wanted to be Kingmaker at least if not King. Better than anyone else on the whole Internet (which is a sick goal if you think about it). But it didn't turn out that way.

Your opinion of my ambitions is higher than my own, which is saying a lot. I'm not a kingmaker, just someone out there defending the right. A Knight at most.

QuoteMearls, who you agree is a Swine owns your pet game. It is he and not you who decided what 4E was.

This is true, but I never expected to decide what 4e was.  I won't deny that I was thrown for a loop by what it turned out to be. You recognize that it wasn't Edwards' victory, so you can hardly call that my defeat.  It wasn't even about Mearls, I think eventually it'll come out that what really drove 4e more than anything else was horrific decisions at the WoTC corporate level.  I do suspect strongly that Mearls gave 4e its "Gamist" micro-flavour that is going to be a major factor in contributing to the comparative rejection of it by the hobby (see Frank Trollman's figures earlier).

That's ok.  I'm willing to bet right here that 5e will look nothing like 4e, without going so far as to say they'll get it right; of course, it might not even be Wizards who does a 5e.  What I am willing to bet is that 5e will be much closer to the ideals I present than 4e is, because if nothing else the suits can smell which way the wind is blowing.

QuoteYour Hero Dancy turned on you, calling you and yours the past and pointing to your foe as the future.

I think you've failed to read Dancey clearly. He didn't say that Edwards was the future. He said that tabletop RPGs have no future.  I believe he's wrong on that, of course. He's brilliant but not always right.

QuoteAnd after all the brown nosing you did for both Dancy and D20. What a shame.

D20 was a huge success, and Ryan Dancey was right about the reasons why.  Does that still stick in your craw?

QuoteNow, as much as Edwards- you're a laughing stock across the Internet. For playing the drooling rabid puppy barking. Driven by ego and lacking any the virtues of a good let alone great man. I'd pity you, if you're entire online image wasn't fake.

But remain great in your own mind, completely unaware of the dangers of hurbis and its costs for as long as you can. Even as a online joke, one cannot be as you without tainting your soul.

Wow, ok there Gandalf.  I sleep like a baby at night, and if I'm not laughing all the way to the bank, I am laughing as I page through the thousands of dollars worth of gaming books I've been sent by reviewers and thousands and thousands of hits that I've gotten from people reading my blog or participating in this site. As much as it frustrates certain people, I have shitloads to be arrogant about, what with, you know, having done and been successful at absolutely everything I've set out to do in this hobby.

QuoteThat is a lie, and will be a lie as long as 4E D&D remains the top of the gaming world.

I know you have trouble keeping track of reality. But remember? Mearls == Swine == 4E D&D. That is something you've agreed with, I can't imagine why you forgot. Oh wait, yes of course- your ego. It tends to backtrack and spin all the time.

So what, Mearls is Swine, what does that mean? It wasn't ever really Ron Edwards goal to see D&D turned into a Swine game, it was his goal to see D&D destroyed. As it is, while the situation is still evolving, Mearls seems well on track to inadvertently ending up providing the nail in GNS' coffin.  Edwards and his ilk always claimed that D&D ought to be nothing more than a "gamist" game, so that all the times they'd ever claimed it was stupid and pointless would now be justifiably true.  Mearls seems to have set out to make this so, to make D&D into exactly the type of game that many of the Swine had always claimed it was, and that Edwards always claimed it would be more successful limiting itself to.  And it certainly seems like 4e is well on track to showing how disastrously wrong this mentality is, and that making D&D one-third of the game it was will succeed only in losing two-thirds of its players.

QuoteNow 4E may go the way of 2E and be replaced by a better game. For something else we agree on is that the theory that spawned it was flawed. But that will happen due to market forces, not because of you.

I'm a great believer in market forces.

QuoteIn the same way Edwards can't claim anything worthwhile because Mearls has all the credit, you fail as well since the market rules the outcome here- not a online blowhard.

Being proven right about what the market wants is not something I would count as a failure.

QuoteI'll give you therpgsite for what it's worth. It was never a victory condition in the Swine War, but I understand why you tried to make it one- keeping it open is the one thing you do control after all. It's hard work, and you deserve respect for it, for it is easily a far better site than rpgnet.

I mean that honestly, although given what you think of rpgnet- perhaps you'll view this as damning with faint praise. And perhaps it is at that.

You could have handled this so much better. But I understand why you didn't. A good wise post would have had a few heads nodding and a short post count. But that wouldn't do.

You of all people understand that only the most extreme statements draw attention. You of all people understand that the rational man is forgotten online. You of all people know know that only bile attracts comment. You of all people know that the big lie is the best lie.

And because I know you understand and use this knowledge to your own ends- is why I know that you are no friend of the rpg hobby.

And you could have been. If only because it has so few.

Like I said in my blog post, I'm no King Arthur.  You don't use chivalry against those who fight with no honour. If I'm a Knight, I'm a Dark Knight.

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Quote from: gleichman;415052Not really. It was just you excusing why you're not doing it and providing fair warning. If anything, it seems more fair on your part. Nothing more than saying "He who fights monsters...".

Fucking hairy hell.

That bit, the "you'll become a monster", was the whole point.  The rest was just supposed to be lead-in.  Insulting, yeah, and that was dumb, but not that.

Quote from: Levi Kornelsen;414995"If you volunteer for RPGnet, you must act as if it's rules apply in other places online."

See...   No.

Nor will I enforce RPGnet rules on RPGnet, based on outside action. It goes both ways; Dan can say bad things of all sorts about said moderation here, however much he breaches the rules there, and even if I really don't like what I hear, he's safe.  The job ends at the door, for me.

Hmm, well that might be the law for the modclique, I guess. But I distinctly remember a poster who got banned on RPG.net for things said on other sites.

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Quote from: Benoist;415051There is a serious amount of hypocrisy going on,

Hypocrisy is an overused charged, often without merit.

In this case (much as I dislike Levi), he was upfront in that post both about what he's like to see on the emotional level and the poor outcome he expected from a practical PoV.

Hypocrisy doesn't play into it I'm afraid, although I sort of wish it would. As I said, I don't like levi.

Quotealong with constant rhetorical flip-flopping

This he does do, it's an outgrowth the mindset one would need to approve of the gaming theories he does.

It's also something we all do due to the nature of these types of exchanges. They cause one to focus on a single point and you can find yourself taking it too far without considering how it relates to the whole. Then someone gets insulted when they didn't need to, and before you know everyone is acting like Pundit.

Quotehow it ties into his strange feeling of superiority

That's a given with who he is, and why I don't care for him.

Quote, his ethical stance on the subject of anything having to do with comparisons that involve the RPG Site and RPGnet, and anecdotically speaking the fact that he is a mod on RPGnet and thus feels validated in the way the mods handle things there the more there are shitstorms here, on the RPG Site.

Would you expect anything else of him? He is a RPGNet Mod after all, so I can't object to the fact this is his opinion nor deny him the right to express it.

I can say his views on the matter are wrong however and attack it on its merits.

QuoteIt's just like that guy coming to you and telling you your girlfriend is a bitch after you had an argument with her, and then inviting one of his buddies to go screw her when you're not looking.

No, it's nothing like that. He's inviting one of his buddies to have a argument with her.

Now if he was inviting his buddy to hunt down and have sex with Pundit... I wouldn't know what to say.