Quote from: Cole;414495I remember being very psyched about a 3.5 version of Tegel Manor coming out - at the time we were periodically playing Tegel in 3.5 with the DM converting more or less on the fly, but I was interested then at how NG would "3.5 it up." Then 4e/GSL issues seemed to finally devour it somewhere on its alreadly slow march to release.

Ha! I remember investing half a year of my time into writing that 3.5 version. Trying to understand what made the original Tegel tick, and drawing on that to develop something that's authentic, fresh for someone who would know the original, but accessible for total newbies. We playtested it, then it got lost in development hell - ambitious "vinyl playing mat" plan, Necro's switch to a different publisher, WotC's switch to a new edition, Necro's misadventures with the GSL, then the death of Bob Bledsaw. The resurrected Judges Guild is planning to release a new edition/sequel thing, but that's by Bob Jr., not me. I am not blaming any of the involved, since it was an interplay of delays and unfortunate circumstances, but it sucks to lose that sort of time and effort.

Actually, I think 4e already doomed it. If Necro released it for the 4e audience, it would have been panned as an example of bad design, because it is totally antithetical to 4th edition culture. Like, the total opposite of "the way it should be done".

If people are interested, I have an internal design document I wrote that I could post to my website and link here - 4 years later, I suppose there'd be no harm in it.

Quote from: Hairfoot;414628The first two pages of this thread were laugh-out-loud funny.  It just started in the middle of a heated argument, like a brawl spilling into the street.

It is actually a pretty level-headed thread that could have come from the 2006 or 2007 version of TheRPGSite before people started taking things a wee bit too seriously, and the tone of the boards soured.

Quote from: Melan;414694It is actually a pretty level-headed thread that could have come from the 2006 or 2007 version of TheRPGSite before people started taking things a wee bit too seriously, and the tone of the boards soured.

I apologize for my seriousness and lack of a sense of humor.

Quote from: LordVreeg;414695I apologize for my seriousness and lack of a sense of humor.

I am cornholio!

Quote from: Melan;414694It is actually a pretty level-headed thread that could have come from the 2006 or 2007 version of TheRPGSite before people started taking things a wee bit too seriously, and the tone of the boards soured.

Before 4E was released, you mean?

Coincidence, correlation or causation? The jury is still out.

Quote from: Settembrini;414684Reckall, you are in a wholly different territory. "Aboutness", no please let us not go there.

Sorry: I forgot how, in a discussion if is something is alike to something else, what they should be about doesn't matter :rolleyes:

Quote from: LordVreeg;414695I apologize for my seriousness and lack of a sense of humor.

It's when I display my sense of humor that people call me "sour"

Quote from: Melan;414693If people are interested, I have an internal design document I wrote that I could post to my website and link here - 4 years later, I suppose there'd be no harm in it.

That would be great. I am currently in the midst of running Tegal using Swords & Wizardry. What a crazy ass place!

Gold Star Manor Part I - http://batintheattic.blogspot.com/2010/10/gold-star-manor-part-i.html

Gold Star Manor Part II - http://batintheattic.blogspot.com/2010/10/gold-star-manor-part-ii.html

Gold Star Manor Part III (player view and really long) - http://batintheattic.blogspot.com/2010/10/gold-star-manor-part-iii.html

Quote from: Melan;414693If people are interested, I have an internal design document I wrote that I could post to my website and link here - 4 years later, I suppose there'd be no harm in it.

You bet I'm interested!

Quote from: Melan;414693If people are interested, I have an internal design document I wrote that I could post to my website and link here - 4 years later, I suppose there'd be no harm in it.

Hells yes!

Quote from: Melan;414693If people are interested, I have an internal design document I wrote that I could post to my website and link here - 4 years later, I suppose there'd be no harm in it.

That would be fantastic!

All right, people: head over to my site to read the strange tale of Tegel Manor - how the Necromancer edition was conceived, what considerations were involved in the design effort, and what became of the project. It is a long read.

I cannot guarantee everything in the design doc makes sense, especially if you don't have a copy of the original Judges Guild version - but I hope you will at least find it interesting and entertaining. :cool:

The post includes some of the handouts I created for my players (although not all of these were found), as well as an unofficial but nevertheless incredibly cool cover concept by none else but Windjammer. Check it out!

Quote from: Melan;414881All right, people: head over to my site to read the strange tale of Tegel Manor - how the Necromancer edition was conceived, what considerations were involved in the design effort, and what became of the project.

Thanks, this should be very interesting!

Very, very cool! Thanks, Melan.