I would like to give a ditto to,
Nicephorus,
J Arcane,
Samurai007

Oh and Pundit correct me if I'm wrong your down with "TMNT and Other Strangeness", but you have a problem with the "Usagi Yojimbo RPG"? I guess we'll ignore that neither comic is based on creepy furry bullshit, eh? But TNMT is more apart of your background and tastes so its ok right?

I really liked the fuzion version (commonly known as Instant Fuzion) which is a cut down fuzion. it plays fast. I am a fuzion fan so I have a bias. I tried the sanguine version but the dice pool system felt very clunky and I really didn't like the combat implementation. Both editions seem to have its fans.

if your looking for something in fuedal japan, Sengoku is really cool (but oh so much to remember!).

So, anything that features anthropoid animals is "furry", as in "I want to have kinky sex with a furball?" ... 'kay... :rolleyes:

It's idiotic, in the Umberto Eco sense of the term: it seems vaguely logical, but if you think about it for about a quarter of a second, the self-evident lack of any conceivable sense of the statement blindingly shines through.

QuoteSo, anything that features anthropoid animals is "furry", as in "I want to have kinky sex with a furball?" ... 'kay...

That is literally the exact opposite of what I and everyone else in this thread were saying.

You couldn't fail harder if you tried.  Congrats.

Quote from: Ronin;372026Oh and Pundit correct me if I'm wrong your down with "TMNT and Other Strangeness", but you have a problem with the "Usagi Yojimbo RPG"? I guess we'll ignore that neither comic is based on creepy furry bullshit, eh? But TNMT is more apart of your background and tastes so its ok right?

I don't read Pundit as having any real problems with Usagi Yojimbo but if you're right you can always blow his frickin' mind with the several Usagi-TMNT crossover comics that are out there.

Quote from: Ronin;372026Oh and Pundit correct me if I'm wrong your down with "TMNT and Other Strangeness", but you have a problem with the "Usagi Yojimbo RPG"? I guess we'll ignore that neither comic is based on creepy furry bullshit, eh? But TNMT is more apart of your background and tastes so its ok right?

Both Usagi Yojimbo and TMNT were absolutely "furry" comics; but from a time before "Furry" came to meant "two men dressed up as female wolves jacking each other off while looking at drawings of preteen lion-boys being raped by a hyperendowed giraffe wearing diapers".

The only difference between the two games now is that TMNT was published by Palladium, which is clearly not a furry-run company, and the new Usagi Yojimbo is published by the people who did Jadeclaw, which are very clearly furries, in this day and age when the definition of furry has gone from the old-days of "liking comics of anthropomorphic animal characters doing normal shit" to the hyperendowed diaper-wearing lion-boy raping giraffe fetish mentioned above.

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Quote from: Benoist;372044So, anything that features anthropoid animals is "furry", as in "I want to have kinky sex with a furball?" ... 'kay... :rolleyes:

I haven't read the latest edition of the Usagi Yojimbo RPG; I have read Jadeclaw, and at least from my cursory read it had nothing visibly in the system itself about perverted furry-sex.
So yeah, you could totally play either game in a  completely healthy way that involved no degenerate Furry-Perversion. But even then, every second of every minute of playing the game, you might remember that nine-tenths of the people who do play this game, including maybe some of the very people at your table (was someone there REALLY eager to play this particular game? Maybe someone has a favorite animal-type that he seems to be really getting into?) are people who get off on cannibalistic hermaphrodite dog-people urinating on zebra "cubs".

Just remember that, as you play.

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Quote from: Imp;372082I don't read Pundit as having any real problems with Usagi Yojimbo but if you're right you can always blow his frickin' mind with the several Usagi-TMNT crossover comics that are out there.

Just like TMNT, I really liked the Usagi Yojimbo comics, back in the day when Furry hadn't been totally subverted by a gang of sexual degenerates who ruined that hobby.

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Quote from: J Arcane;372045That is literally the exact opposite of what I and everyone else in this thread were saying.

You couldn't fail harder if you tried.  Congrats.

Dude. My post was in answer to the Pundit's allegations. I got that you and most people on the thread don't share his feelings.

Nice Fail on your part, though.

Quote from: Benoist;372305Dude. My post was in answer to the Pundit's allegations. I got that you and most people on the thread don't share his feelings.

Nice Fail on your part, though.

Well, his clarification makes it clear that really wasn't what he meant either.  At least not in the way you put it.  

The difference between him and I is I'm still not convinced there was ever a time when furry was "normal".  But the basic point that there's what we think of now as "furry", and stuff that just has animal people in it, is mostly the same.

Quote from: RPGPundit;372293Just like TMNT, I really liked the Usagi Yojimbo comics, back in the day when Furry hadn't been totally subverted by a gang of sexual degenerates who ruined that hobby.

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I still like Usagi Yojimbo comics, and read them every chance I get.  I wish I could afford the cash to collect them.  

Ain't no way I'm letting a bunch of pervert fanboys ruin one of the most awesome comics in the history of the medium.

Especially not Space Usagi.  That shit was better Star Wars than Star Wars.

Quote from: RPGPunditThe only difference between the two games now is that TMNT was published by Palladium, which is clearly not a furry-run company, and the new Usagi Yojimbo is published by the people who did Jadeclaw, which are very clearly furries, in this day and age when the definition of furry has gone from the old-days of "liking comics of anthropomorphic animal characters doing normal shit" to the hyperendowed diaper-wearing lion-boy raping giraffe fetish mentioned above.

Then,

Quote from: RPGPundithaven't read the latest edition of the Usagi Yojimbo RPG; I have read Jadeclaw, and at least from my cursory read it had nothing visibly in the system itself about perverted furry-sex.

Really? Because that not what you just said. I mean at least wait a couple posts before completely contradicting yourself.
 

Quote from: RPGPundit;372291So yeah, you could totally play either game in a completely healthy way that involved no degenerate Furry-Perversion.

Again anyone else see a contradiction?

Quote from: RPGPunditBut even then, every second of every minute of playing the game, you might remember that nine-tenths of the people who do play this game, including maybe some of the very people at your table (was someone there REALLY eager to play this particular game? Maybe someone has a favorite animal-type that he seems to be really getting into?) are people who get off on cannibalistic hermaphrodite dog-people urinating on zebra "cubs".

Nice statistics, where did you get those? Oh, yeah you made it up. Well 65% of FtA players are right wing christian white supremacists. Dont worry I'm using the same system you are to determine this sort of thing. Conjecture, bias, and personal opinions none of which are grounded in fact. So you know, we're good.

You know its pretty sad that a person is put away from a game because a minority group, in an already minority hobby is creepy. Never mind the majority of Usagi, TMNT, After the bomb, or Rifts players are plain normal RPG'ers that have nothing to do with a tiny minority group that seems to disturb you a great deal. Granted I do find "furries" creepy. But its not going to keep me from playing Usagi or TMNT. Just as I find satanists and emo vampire weasels creepy. But this not going to keep me from playing D&D. Two minority groups both associated with D&D. Do yourself a favor take the time to judge a game on its merits not on your preconceived notions on what its about. Because in this case your really missing out.

Quote from: Ronin;372433Then,



Really? Because that not what you just said. I mean at least wait a couple posts before completely contradicting yourself.

Really? Please show exactly where in those two blocks of text there is a contradiction.
 

QuoteAgain anyone else see a contradiction?

Nope.

QuoteNice statistics, where did you get those? Oh, yeah you made it up. Well 65% of FtA players are right wing christian white supremacists. Dont worry I'm using the same system you are to determine this sort of thing. Conjecture, bias, and personal opinions none of which are grounded in fact. So you know, we're good.

You know its pretty sad that a person is put away from a game because a minority group, in an already minority hobby is creepy.

Aw, now you're trying to use the Geek Social Fallacies to excuse away degenerates. Do you really think we fall for that "you have to be tolerant of everyone because you got wedgied in high school" shit here?

QuoteNever mind the majority of Usagi, TMNT, After the bomb, or Rifts players are plain normal RPG'ers that have nothing to do with a tiny minority group that seems to disturb you a great deal. Granted I do find "furries" creepy. But its not going to keep me from playing Usagi or TMNT. Just as I find satanists and emo vampire weasels creepy. But this not going to keep me from playing D&D. Two minority groups both associated with D&D.

Really? They're associated with D&D? Heavy-metal faux satanists, maybe. And I must admit I don't actually know what an "emo vampire weasel" is, exactly, but it sure as hell sounds like they'd be shitting all over D&D and playing Vampire.

QuoteDo yourself a favor take the time to judge a game on its merits not on your preconceived notions on what its about. Because in this case your really missing out.

Oh, but one of the absolutely concrete merits or flaws of a game is the people who play it.  One of the reasons I don't play Vampire is to not have to have my gaming tarnished by being around a bunch of pretentious pseudo-artiste goths. One of the reasons I don't play Dogs In the Vinyard, besides the fact that its not a real RPG, is that I don't want to be playing around a gang of moronic pseudo-intellectuals who imagine themselves radical beat poets. And one of the reasons I don't play Jadeclaw is because I don't want to be around a bunch of diaper-wearing furry-fetishists who get off on masturbating to pictures of unspeakably degenerate shit being portrayed in anthropomorphic form.

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Ummm, I'm just curious here. If Jadeclaw doesn't have anything in it about perverted furry-sex, then why is the company that makes it "clearly" a furry-run company? I'm not really familiar with any of their products so I don't know.

On a somewhat seperate note, I fail to see how calling you on your bullshit statistics constitutes "excusing away degenerates". Ignoring your idiotic, imaginary "statistics" has nothing to do with "excusing" theoretical deviant behavior. So 90% of people who play Usagi Yojimbo are automatically furry scum because you proclaim it so? Wow, that's just mindblowingly full of shit. I hate to break it to ya but there are "degenerates" of all sorts, all around you, at all times, whether you know it or not. Do you avoid all TV programs because I claim that 90% of TV writers and actors are deviant child rapers? My claim doesn't make it so. And if you allow that bogus claim to deny you whatever pleasure might be gained from watching said programs that just makes you, well, pathetic I guess. So you deny yourself the chance to play a game, in a setting you profess to enjoy greatly, because you can't bear the thought that somewhere, sometime, someone else played this game in an unsavory manor, or committed other deviant behaviour outside of the game? Whatever, man. That is beyond pathetic.

I suppose I don't have much room to talk on the topic. I don't play Amber because I don't like to be around pretentious, sycophantic, storytelling dipshits enthralled by the ramblings of a fantasy hack. (shrug) Whatever.

Quote from: J Arcane;372307But the basic point that there's what we think of now as "furry", and stuff that just has animal people in it, is mostly the same.

So by that logic rape-porn and Romeo & Juliet are mostly the same because they both contain sex of some kind? Saturday morning cartoons and tentacle-porn are mostly the same because they both involve animation? C'mon man, I give you credit for being smarter than Pundit.