This is a product line intended for an audience that strongly prefers to trade money for time, and by that I mean they are willing to spend a lot of money to pay for an official and professionally-produced product that addresses a want on their part.  It is meant to be something of a geek status symbol, in the same way that high end cars are, as shown by the premium price tag and presentation.  It's Warhammer Quest for a new, emerging adult geek generation that somehow is gainfully employed and not sucked deeply into World of Warcraft.

Quote from: aramis;322796TEW puts the rot mostly at the top. Illuminatis type stuff.
2nd ed makes it pervasive at all levels.

1E only looks that way because you're not paranoid enough.

Quote from: Bradford C. Walker;322836It is meant to be something of a geek status symbol, in the same way that high end cars are, as shown by the premium price tag and presentation.

Except 99$ isn't a premium price tag. Hasn't been for quite a few years now.

I think it actually takes a stronger GM to make the game feel like everything is rotten to the core yet still make it believable that regular people could still survive in that kind of setting.

I think the easier way out is to tone down the corruption and play closer to 1e style.

This has to have the worst dice mechanic I have ever seen.  And I have Rolemaster.

Great googly-moogly - I haven't played WFRP since waaay back, but this looks pretty darned different.

Nice that the Toolkit contains "new Actions" that aren't in the main box.  I presume those "Actions" are spells or something...

"I'm sorry, Bill, your halfling can't swim.  I don't have that supplement."

I'm surprised that there aren't minis in the box.  I'd love to see how combat actually works.  I'm guessing it will look something like combat in Cutthroat Caverns except slower and less fun.

I was a little surprised by the lack of minis as well, but it looks like the box will be jam-packed already.  Perhaps there'll be a coupon or something in there to try to get new WFRPers to check out their local Games Workshop or something.

Quote from: MarionPoliquin;322868Except 99$ isn't a premium price tag. Hasn't been for quite a few years now.

For board games, you'd be right.

For RPG's, core rules tend to run US $40 to $50. Anything over $75 is definitely premium.

There are no minis because the GW agreement with FFG is no minis games.  It was spelled out at the beginning because people were excited about a new Warhammer Quest or Blood Bowl or Space Hulk and we were told NO WAY which was a bummer.

Quote from: Spinachcat;323023There are no minis because the GW agreement with FFG is no minis games.  It was spelled out at the beginning because people were excited about a new Warhammer Quest or Blood Bowl or Space Hulk and we were told NO WAY which was a bummer.

Not quite true, hence the Minis in Talisman.

Essentially as I understand it GW made a list of games that FFG cannot remake, whish are essentially the Miniature Heavy ones.

Quote from: jadrax;323033Not quite true, hence the Minis in Talisman.

Essentially as I understand it GW made a list of games that FFG cannot remake, whish are essentially the Miniature Heavy ones.

It should also be pointed out that Space Hulk just got a limited rerelease, and Blood Bowl is still available from GW's Specialist Games site - they still sell the miniatures too, and they keep the rules up to date to boot.

Quote from: aramis;323006For board games, you'd be right.

For RPG's, core rules tend to run US $40 to $50. Anything over $75 is definitely premium.

So D&D is premium?

Quote from: Fifth Element;323046So D&D is premium?

I think that's pretty apparent by it being the most expensive role playing game in existence.

Quote from: jadrax;323080I think that's pretty apparent by it being the most expensive role playing game in existence.

Since the highest selling roleplaying game out there also carries one of the highest prices, claiming that WFRP carries a premium price tag is meaningless.

I'd also like to point out that carrying one the highest prices does not in itself make that price high.

I repeat: 99$ is not a high price if what you get for that price seems right. It. just. isn't.