Quote from: The Good AssyrianJust FYI David, I pitched the "Star Trek Meets Battlestar Galactica" idea to my group last night, as well as the "Voyager Done Right" idea.  

They opted for a straight Sword & Sorcery "thieves guild" game using Reign.  It will be fun, but this thread was getting me jazzed about Star Trek again...[sigh]  

Trek will be waiting for them, when they are ready. I never thought I'd ever run a Trek campaign....but here I am on a serious buzz after reading the replies on this thread.

And I have to ....have to...create a villain like Khan

Regards,
David R

Quote from: David RAnd I have to ....have to...create a villain like Khan

Well, Khan Noonian Singh was just one of the "genetically superior" warlords vying for supremecy during the Eugenics Wars of the 90s.  I suppose it's entirely possible that some of the other warlords and their cohorts -- the ones on the losing end of the struggle -- may have fled in sub-light ships during the chaos and set up shop elsewhere.  Perhaps that's too much like Khan himself, though (though no one said he -- or she -- had to have the same cultural background or personality as Khan).

!i!

And this time Ian, there will be no deus ex machina to save the crew :evillaugh:

(And yes that's what happened in Wrath IMO )

Regards,
David R

Quote from: droogThis side-topic is a bit of a thread-killer if we pursue it (though I guess it might have some application).

I think it's right on topic and I think David gave the go-ahead here, so I'll run with it. And yes, it's sort of political...which is natural since we are talking the politics of the Federation.
>>Firstly, in the information economy you're dealing with something that is essentially a luxury.

- There are always going to be a "luxuries", these are defined in a relative way. But we AREN'T just talking about "luxuries" in the hear and now. At least I'm not, because this goes well beyond DVDs and CDs right now....into --food production-- for example. But you probably don't notice that though because, for you, food probably already sits below your notice already because it's not really something you have to worry about. It puts a little dent in your budget but for the most part you just go get it.

>> Secondly, you're still dealing with people socialised in a certain way.

- And in a lot of ways the Federation has it's roots in that. I'm pointing out that information age doesn't necessarily mean completely changing the rules. Because there are still physical limitations. Hey, if the UFP didn't have resource limitations then they'd never lose a war of attrition. Which they clearly do in a number of instances, such as the alternate time-line with the Fed at war with the Klingons, that involved Tasha Yar.

>> Thirdly, it has definitely changed the buying habits of dozens of people I know, and I can only assume that the widespread availability of essentially free physical goods is going to change that even more.

- However the people with their hand on the helm have brought in rules that keep their hand on the helm. This happens because if they don't they become irrelavent. Yes they have to toss bones to the masses, some power sharing, to quell the open revolts but that's really about spreading around the benefits to enough people. So we can assume that the UFP keeps their hand firmly on the helm by . Free replicated food. *shrug* A bone. But they aren't going to let every Tom, Dick, and Harriette replicate up a space ship (or even possess a replicator capable of that) or even weapons. Or probably any large capital because we do see the concept of personal ownership in the Federation. We just happen to view most of it via a military setting, or little shitholes out on the edge.

Re: Limitations on replication. It makes little sense to say that hydrogen can't be converted to iron. Atomically iron is at the bottom of the hill, coming from both ways.  Fission ond fusion meet at Fe.  Going from H to Fe on the chart is exothermic (excess energy given off) via fusion, going from the high end down to Fe is exothermic via fission. That's why there is some much iron around (although most of earth's is settled at the core because of it's specific gravity). Yes you need a lot of H's to make Fe. But as a bonus you'll probably net a little energy out of it once you get some efficencies in your process.

Also if replicators were so good at this there wouldn't be all these mining operations popping up in the series.

Quote from: David RAnd this time Ian, there will be no deus ex machina to save the crew :evillaugh:

Ah, here we are -- canon evidence that others like Khan are out there.  Of course, this depends on whether or not one views Enterprise as truly canon.  Interesting that they chose to rope in Commander Data's back story.

!i!

Quote from: Ian AbsentiaAh, here we are -- canon evidence that others like Khan are out there.  

First off, I really dig this Trek site

Also, I'm seriously considering creating a Khan-like nemesis based on Lena Olin's character from Romeo Is Bleeding.

Regards,
David R

Quote from: David RAlso, I'm seriously considering creating a Khan-like nemesis based on Lena Olin's character from Romeo Is Bleeding.

Oh...oh, Jesus Fuck, yes.

I think I need to go change my pants.

!i!

Quote from: Ian AbsentiaOh...oh, Jesus Fuck, yes.

I think I need to go change my pants.

And if I play her right, she won't be in a position where anyone is "laughing at her superior intellect".


Regards,
David R

Occassional lurker here - this thread caught my eye enough to actually register and post a response

Back in the day (early 2000s) I was on a quasi-official site for LUG-Trek and later Decipher Trek at Trek-RPG.net. The site itself is pretty dead, but it  (and the web address) was saved and preserved in amber, so to speak.

Huge source of info and ideas for Trek, not to mention the various free e-books that Steve Long produced.

My own two latinum - like any political movement the Maquis is a spectrum from moderates to nutters. It might be in the Federation's interest to suppport the former, which in turn allows for the possibility of a Starfleet 'liaison' or two (overt or covert), if some of your players want a character closer to the Star Trek model. Of course, as events unfold they may find their feelings and assumptions challenged...

Hope that helps

Quote from: PremodernistOccassional lurker here - this thread caught my eye enough to actually register and post a response

Welcome to theRPGSite!



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Quote from: PremodernistOccassional lurker here - this thread caught my eye enough to actually register and post a response
Hope that helps

Welcome to the site and it does help

Regards,
David R

Quote from: PremodernistMy own two latinum - like any political movement the Maquis is a spectrum from moderates to nutters. It might be in the Federation's interest to suppport the former,

Why did I suddenly imagine a campaign all about Maquis religious-fanatic terrorists who were the same ones the Federation supported in overthrowing the Cardassians now turning around and blowing up some really important Starfleet building; and the Federation getting itself caught up in a military-political quagmire on Bajor and some other planet that had nothing to do with it?

RPGPundit

Quote from: RPGPunditWhy did I suddenly imagine a campaign all about Maquis religious-fanatic terrorists who were the same ones the Federation supported in overthrowing the Cardassians now turning around and blowing up some really important Starfleet building; and the Federation getting itself caught up in a military-political quagmire on Bajor and some other planet that had nothing to do with it?

RPGPundit

Have you been watching bad episodes of Voyager or something? I mean, it's sci-fi, but it should still make some sort of logical sense...

...wait a minute...

One could also draw parallels between the Maquis and the Bosnians in the Balkan Wars of the early 1990s, with the Cardassian military and armed Cardassian settlers playing roles broadly comparable to Serb militias and Bosnian Serbs. Lots of 'ethnic cleansing' going on, with the Federation reduced to impotent hand-wringing and finger-wagging.

Yeah, who'd have thought that you could still bleed a little bit more social relevance out of the dead husklike stone that is the Star Trek franchise?

RPGPundit

I would.


Its still a good frame for possibly better-than-average writers to set stories inside of.

 Trouble is - finding those writers.


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