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Why does the OSR trigger people so much?

Started by King Tyranno, August 25, 2021, 08:33:13 AM

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Steven Mitchell

Quote from: oggsmash on August 27, 2021, 08:46:48 AM
  I agree 100 percent here, I am a bit curious as to what sort of people are so political all the time, they are political at a game table.   Sure some recent news event might come up, but it seems there is a tone from some people that a view you vent on a forum is something you walk around just waiting to spout off to anyone who might be offended by it at all times.  Spurg out behavior is not welcomed anywhere, at any time that I have seen.  If someone is sperging out non stop, they just will not be included in any group of any activity I engage in.

The kind I'm talking about, it's now mostly how they say it, but rather what they say and the tone.  There's the internet drivel, like we have seen from one of our resident trolls in this topic.  Then there's a person saying, kind of casual-like, similar things in a tone of just making a passing remark.  Thus the lack of self-awareness.  To them, there's no difference in saying, "Hey it rained a lot today" in a pleasant tone and saying, "Can't stand those icky, racist, horrible conservatives" in the exact same tone--and then preceding to make clear with similar remarks that "conservative" for them includes anyone to their right--as they "understand" it in their admittedly thoughtless perspective.  And they do this in a room of people where everyone else would call themselves either independent (with some justice, not vapid claiming of the center), libertarian, or conservative.  And they don''t stop when everyone else looks at them as if they had just dumped a chamber pot on the table, dead silence, and then someone changes the subject. 

I would much rather deal with a self-aware liberal than this kind of person.  That's the kind of person you can disagree with yesterday or an hour ago and then set it aside to pursue some common, non-political interest.  And that is largely why SJW's are hated by every reasonable person.  A few of them are calculated power-mad individuals, but for most of them their defining characteristic is this complete lack of self-awareness.  Some of them just manage to not spit and sputter while they display it.

Rhedyn

Quote from: oggsmash on August 27, 2021, 08:46:48 AMI agree 100 percent here, I am a bit curious as to what sort of people are so political all the time, they are political at a game table.   Sure some recent news event might come up, but it seems there is a tone from some people that a view you vent on a forum is something you walk around just waiting to spout off to anyone who might be offended by it at all times.  Spurg out behavior is not welcomed anywhere, at any time that I have seen.  If someone is sperging out non stop, they just will not be included in any group of any activity I engage in.
It's more the issue that conservatives don't know when they are being political and politicize things that are not political.

For example, someone being unvaccinated at our table is pretty un-fucking acceptable. That sort of anti-social psychopathy is not a political issue.

oggsmash

Quote from: Steven Mitchell on August 27, 2021, 09:13:33 AM
Quote from: oggsmash on August 27, 2021, 08:46:48 AM
  I agree 100 percent here, I am a bit curious as to what sort of people are so political all the time, they are political at a game table.   Sure some recent news event might come up, but it seems there is a tone from some people that a view you vent on a forum is something you walk around just waiting to spout off to anyone who might be offended by it at all times.  Spurg out behavior is not welcomed anywhere, at any time that I have seen.  If someone is sperging out non stop, they just will not be included in any group of any activity I engage in.

The kind I'm talking about, it's now mostly how they say it, but rather what they say and the tone.  There's the internet drivel, like we have seen from one of our resident trolls in this topic.  Then there's a person saying, kind of casual-like, similar things in a tone of just making a passing remark.  Thus the lack of self-awareness.  To them, there's no difference in saying, "Hey it rained a lot today" in a pleasant tone and saying, "Can't stand those icky, racist, horrible conservatives" in the exact same tone--and then preceding to make clear with similar remarks that "conservative" for them includes anyone to their right--as they "understand" it in their admittedly thoughtless perspective.  And they do this in a room of people where everyone else would call themselves either independent (with some justice, not vapid claiming of the center), libertarian, or conservative.  And they don''t stop when everyone else looks at them as if they had just dumped a chamber pot on the table, dead silence, and then someone changes the subject. 

I would much rather deal with a self-aware liberal than this kind of person.  That's the kind of person you can disagree with yesterday or an hour ago and then set it aside to pursue some common, non-political interest.  And that is largely why SJW's are hated by every reasonable person.  A few of them are calculated power-mad individuals, but for most of them their defining characteristic is this complete lack of self-awareness.  Some of them just manage to not spit and sputter while they display it.

   LOL, maybe I live in Sparta.  because popping off like that casually might get you slapped by one of those conservatives.  Just as much as saying something equally as judgemental and terrible about a liberal might get you slapped.   

   "Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing."

― Robert E. Howard

Ocule

Quote from: Rhedyn on August 27, 2021, 09:16:37 AM
Quote from: oggsmash on August 27, 2021, 08:46:48 AMI agree 100 percent here, I am a bit curious as to what sort of people are so political all the time, they are political at a game table.   Sure some recent news event might come up, but it seems there is a tone from some people that a view you vent on a forum is something you walk around just waiting to spout off to anyone who might be offended by it at all times.  Spurg out behavior is not welcomed anywhere, at any time that I have seen.  If someone is sperging out non stop, they just will not be included in any group of any activity I engage in.
It's more the issue that conservatives don't know when they are being political and politicize things that are not political.

For example, someone being unvaccinated at our table is pretty un-fucking acceptable. That sort of anti-social psychopathy is not a political issue.

Good thing you arent at my table then none of us are vaccinated. Seriously can't tell if you believe half the stuff you post or if you're just trolling. Hard to tell these days with so many autists running around
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oggsmash

Quote from: Rhedyn on August 27, 2021, 09:16:37 AM
Quote from: oggsmash on August 27, 2021, 08:46:48 AMI agree 100 percent here, I am a bit curious as to what sort of people are so political all the time, they are political at a game table.   Sure some recent news event might come up, but it seems there is a tone from some people that a view you vent on a forum is something you walk around just waiting to spout off to anyone who might be offended by it at all times.  Spurg out behavior is not welcomed anywhere, at any time that I have seen.  If someone is sperging out non stop, they just will not be included in any group of any activity I engage in.
It's more the issue that conservatives don't know when they are being political and politicize things that are not political.

For example, someone being unvaccinated at our table is pretty un-fucking acceptable. That sort of anti-social psychopathy is not a political issue.
"Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing."

― Robert E. Howard

Zalman

Quote from: Ocule on August 27, 2021, 09:40:28 AM
Good thing you arent at my table then none of us are vaccinated.

Good for you! Antibodies are better protection than vaccination. Gamers who insist on vaccinating to avoid antibodies are a danger to all of us RPGers, and are surely the worst sort of sociopath.
Old School? Back in my day we just called it "School."

Rhedyn

Quote from: Ocule on August 27, 2021, 09:40:28 AMGood thing you arent at my table then none of us are vaccinated. Seriously can't tell if you believe half the stuff you post or if you're just trolling. Hard to tell these days with so many autists running around

Sometimes I come back to this forum to remind myself that "conservatives" aren't actual people and we have less moral obligation to them than the average dog. Blessedly, I have little interaction with "conservatives" outside of the most professional of settings where them sharing any of their awful opinions gets them immediately fired.

oggsmash

Quote from: Rhedyn on August 27, 2021, 10:15:09 AM
Quote from: Ocule on August 27, 2021, 09:40:28 AMGood thing you arent at my table then none of us are vaccinated. Seriously can't tell if you believe half the stuff you post or if you're just trolling. Hard to tell these days with so many autists running around

Sometimes I come back to this forum to remind myself that "conservatives" aren't actual people and we have less moral obligation to them than the average dog. Blessedly, I have little interaction with "conservatives" outside of the most professional of settings where them sharing any of their awful opinions gets them immediately fired.
"Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing."

― Robert E. Howard

Rhedyn

#98
Quote from: Zalman on August 27, 2021, 09:53:26 AM
Quote from: Ocule on August 27, 2021, 09:40:28 AM
Good thing you arent at my table then none of us are vaccinated.

Good for you! Antibodies are better protection than vaccination. Gamers who insist on vaccinating to avoid antibodies are a danger to all of us RPGers, and are surely the worst sort of sociopath.
Case in point:
1) All actual scientific evidence suggest that vaccination provides stronger protection than recovering from COVID-19.

2) All actual scientific evidence suggest that the vaccinated spread significantly less than those who recovered from COVID-19.

3) Getting vaccinated is still recommended for those who have been infected.

4) All evidence says getting COVID-19 is infinity more risky than being vaccinated.

Nothing political here. Yet "conservatives" make it political and we all know why. COVID-19 did hurt city congested minorities more than white people so they are pro-plague. That is no longer the case because of vaccination, but it's a little to late for conservatives to back out now without just admitting that they are suicidally racist.

And yet y'all wonder why actual sapient people would rather avoid having conservatives at the table?

oggsmash

Quote from: Rhedyn on August 27, 2021, 10:26:47 AM
Quote from: Zalman on August 27, 2021, 09:53:26 AM
Quote from: Ocule on August 27, 2021, 09:40:28 AM
Good thing you arent at my table then none of us are vaccinated.

Good for you! Antibodies are better protection than vaccination. Gamers who insist on vaccinating to avoid antibodies are a danger to all of us RPGers, and are surely the worst sort of sociopath.
Case in point:
1) All actual scientific evidence suggest that vaccination provides stronger protection than recovering from COVID-19.

2) All actual scientific evidence suggest that the vaccinated spread significantly less than those who recovered from COVID-19.

3) Getting vaccinated is still recommended for those who have been infected.

4) All evidence says getting COVID-19 is infinity more risky than being vaccinated.

Nothing political here. Yet "conservatives" make it political and we all know why. COVID-19 did hurt city congested minorities more than white people so they are pro-plague. That is no longer the case because of vaccination, but it's a little to late for conservatives to back out now without just admitting that they are suicidality racist.

And yet y'all wonder why actual sapient people would rather avoid having conservatives at the table?

   At many gaming tables, that are actually in the real world, and not in your head..the group of people who are not getting vaccines are not a monolith, and are made up of some very interesting groups of minorities. 

Steven Mitchell

Note that the troll has changed tactics again in order to try to derail the conversation with an off-topic twist.  Bonus points for him if he can get someone else warned or even banned for taking the bait.  But his main goal is that the discussion not happen.

Rhedyn

Quote from: oggsmash on August 27, 2021, 10:30:10 AMAt many gaming tables, that are actually in the real world, and not in your head..the group of people who are not getting vaccines are not a monolith, and are made up of some very interesting groups of minorities.
Does the wet spaghetti in your skull think that is some kind of gotcha? That I as a liberal must condone and bend over backwards to justify any and all minority behaviors because of some sort of misunderstanding of diversity as a virtue?

No you idiot. I am anti-racist and indifferent towards irrelevant melanin concentrations. Not getting vaccinated is equally stupid for everyone. I do begrudge people less if there reason is a deep distrust for racist institutions that may just pretend to treat them for things like syphilis. It's also difficult to enforce vaccination because you know the racist would prosecute minorities first and violently so. Of course such critical race theory observations are illegal to teach in many states.

I'll reiterate. People aren't triggered by OSR, they are just trying to filter out "conservatives" from their table.

oggsmash

Quote from: Rhedyn on August 27, 2021, 11:10:11 AM
Quote from: oggsmash on August 27, 2021, 10:30:10 AMAt many gaming tables, that are actually in the real world, and not in your head..the group of people who are not getting vaccines are not a monolith, and are made up of some very interesting groups of minorities.
Does the wet spaghetti in your skull think that is some kind of gotcha? That I as a liberal must condone and bend over backwards to justify any and all minority behaviors because of some sort of misunderstanding of diversity as a virtue?

No you idiot. I am anti-racist and indifferent towards irrelevant melanin concentrations. Not getting vaccinated is equally stupid for everyone. I do begrudge people less if there reason is a deep distrust for racist institutions that may just pretend to treat them for things like syphilis. It's also difficult to enforce vaccination because you know the racist would prosecute minorities first and violently so. Of course such critical race theory observations are illegal to teach in many states.

I'll reiterate. People aren't triggered by OSR, they are just trying to filter out "conservatives" from their table.

  I have a feeling you do not have to worry about a single conservative, centrist or sane person at your table.  They say good fences make good neighbors, so stick with your own and have fun.

Ocule

Quote from: Rhedyn on August 27, 2021, 10:26:47 AM
Quote from: Zalman on August 27, 2021, 09:53:26 AM
Quote from: Ocule on August 27, 2021, 09:40:28 AM
Good thing you arent at my table then none of us are vaccinated.

Good for you! Antibodies are better protection than vaccination. Gamers who insist on vaccinating to avoid antibodies are a danger to all of us RPGers, and are surely the worst sort of sociopath.
Case in point:
1) All actual scientific evidence suggest that vaccination provides stronger protection than recovering from COVID-19.

2) All actual scientific evidence suggest that the vaccinated spread significantly less than those who recovered from COVID-19.

3) Getting vaccinated is still recommended for those who have been infected.

4) All evidence says getting COVID-19 is infinity more risky than being vaccinated.

Nothing political here. Yet "conservatives" make it political and we all know why. COVID-19 did hurt city congested minorities more than white people so they are pro-plague. That is no longer the case because of vaccination, but it's a little to late for conservatives to back out now without just admitting that they are suicidally racist.

And yet y'all wonder why actual sapient people would rather avoid having conservatives at the table?

And you never stopped to wonder why people aren't getting the vaccine? You just label them as conservative, and to you conservative means racist and move on. Have you ever stopped to think maybe it's just lack of trust in institutions that have done something to damage that trust in the past? and that while the scientific method is in fact a good way of doing things, people don't trust the people who are telling them about the findings and how easy it is to manipulate the data or how we have had them do shady things in the past.

Fact: The pandemic was used as an excuse to greatly expand the power of the governing bodies all over the world.
Also fact: during the pandemic governments, and hospitals manipulated the data on covid19 in order to secure more power and more funding.
Also Fact: The CDC and other government organizations have performed illegal medical experiments on the us citizens without their knowledge or consent.
Also Fact: There are several conflicts of interest between the makers of the vaccine and government entities.
Also Fact: There was financial incentive to rush the vaccine through the trials, and has not been as thoroughly tested as known vaccines for things such as the flu, chicken pox, tetanus etc.

And now for other circumstantially related facts:
All medication produces various effects on the body, the desired effect is called the theraputic effect. IE You take ibuprofen for a headache, the desired effect is a pain reliever. A side effect is an undesired effect or effect other than the desired effect. Keeping on with ibuprofen, side effects can include stomach aches and even ulcers, i believe also over a period time damage to bone density as well as an effect on the liver. Given the usual time for these side effects to manifest over using it a few times, you have decided that these side effects are acceptable weighed against the desired effect of pain relief. Vaccines are no different.

After going on about my body my choice chanting it down the streets and not shutting the fuck up about it when it came to things like abortion where you are literally making a choice to terminate another life, now all of a sudden getting this vaccine is no longer the choice of the person receiving it.

Also if I understand your post correctly, you hold the position that any conservative who voices their opinion should lose their job? If this is correct what in the actual fuck is wrong with you?

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Rhedyn

Quote from: Ocule on August 27, 2021, 11:25:02 AMAlso if I understand your post correctly, you hold the position that any conservative who voices their opinion should lose their job? If this is correct what in the actual fuck is wrong with you?
No, every conservative should lose their life.

That blessed reality is too difficult to achieve in an ethical fashion. Both finding a method specific enough to be ethical and a method that does not corrupt the performers. You asshole pro-life chanting, child murderers are not worth the air you breathe. Regardless of whatever stupid twisted faux logic you decide to replace peer reviewed science with. Conservatives losing their jobs is woefully short of what they actually deserve.