Quote from: jhkim;1106846OK, as I've mentioned earlier, I don't see the X-card as being necessary. I agree with Brendan that RPGs don't have a consent problem.

That said, I really don't think that gamers advocating the X-card are secretly trying to overthrow society to become a Communist/Globalist State.

Thanks, but you'll notice that my point is more nuanced than that.  As I said, the advocates for the X-card are, for the most part, just "useful idiots."  They think they're just being "accommodating" and "nice".   That said, I'm sure there are some that think they're "fighting white colonization" by "reclaiming imaginative spaces" or some shit like that.

Quote from: Brendan;1106847Thanks, but you'll notice that my point is more nuanced than that.  As I said, the advocates for the X-card are, for the most part, just "useful idiots."  They think they're just being "accommodating" and "nice".   That said, I'm sure there are some that think they're "fighting white colonization" by "reclaiming imaginative spaces" or some shit like that.

Hi, Brendan. My comment about overthrow was directed as SHARK's post, not at your post directly. I agree that your point is more nuanced. I can reply to yours separately.

Quote from: jhkim;1106851Hi, Brendan. My comment about overthrow was directed as SHARK's post, not at your post directly. I agree that your point is more nuanced. I can reply to yours separately.

No worries.  Thanks for the clarification.

Greetings!

Indeed. See Brendan's "Useful Idiots" memo for added clarity. I suppose there are different "levels" of brainwashing and stupidity, certainly. Your garden-variety mushy Liberal isn't necessarily a card-carrying member of ANTIFA, and doesn't specifically embrace a plan to "Overthrow our society."

You want "Nuance?" Fuck nuance. Whether the millions of Liberal sheep comprehend it or not, the psyop techniques, the social infiltration, the rewriting of language, inventing language, establishing new social organizations and socialized social expectations and norms, is all an aspect of the larger goals of Globalist/Communist activists within our society to become change agents.

And, we see the same tentacles of such social change and Communist brainwashing influencing even the RPG Hobby. Spinachcat has talked about in considerable detail of the various SJW "victories" affecting our hobby in recent years. Pundit's own commentary and videos showcase many of the effects, policies, and attitudes that spring from the Globalist/Communist agenda. These are facts. Naysay it if you like, but such an approach reveals anyone that chooses to do so as being naive and deluded.

Jhkim is far too educated and well-read to deny the force and implication of such facts. Jhkim, I think you are being purposely contrarian towards me. You know or you should know exactly what I'm talking about. I hope my explanation here makes things clearer and more "Nuanced" for you!:D

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

The X-Card is open to a gigantic amount of abuse. Game group breaking levels of it. And that's why I disagree with anyone who wants to make it mandatory.

I understand the motivations behind it being positive. But it doesn't account for those who are acting in bad faith. That's the flaw. And I believe it is a fatal one.

Quote from: jhkim;1106846For example, I'm going to Big Bad Con in two weeks, which has "Safety Tools" listed with each of the events.

Wow..the X-card isn't even the dumbest one on that list!
https://www.bigbadcon.com/safety-mechanisms/

What an utter shitshow. The Bay Area's safest safe space for "gaming"!
https://www.bigbadcon.com/events/categories/rpg/

Quote from: Spinachcat;1106920Wow..the X-card isn't even the dumbest one on that list!
https://www.bigbadcon.com/safety-mechanisms/

What an utter shitshow. The Bay Area's safest safe space for "gaming"!
https://www.bigbadcon.com/events/categories/rpg/

I've got their script change right here!

I'm running a couple games at that con. It's my first so I kind of just figured "safety tools" are a thing at conventions, at least here on the West coast. As GM they wanted me to select one for my games, so I just went with "open door".

Quote from: Spinachcat;1106920Wow..the X-card isn't even the dumbest one on that list!
https://www.bigbadcon.com/safety-mechanisms/

At least they don't make them mandatory or even imply that they should be. If they just want to offer optional tools, that's hardly an issue. Hell, I think almost every GM here would be all for "The Door Is Open" for those players that need to step out.

Quote from: HappyDaze;1106949At least they don't make them mandatory or even imply that they should be. If they just want to offer optional tools, that's hardly an issue. Hell, I think almost every GM here would be all for "The Door Is Open" for those players that need to step out.

you were saying?

Quote from: Trinculoisdead;1106947I'm running a couple games at that con. It's my first so I kind of just figured "safety tools" are a thing at conventions, at least here on the West coast. As GM they wanted me to select one for my games, so I just went with "open door".

Quote from: Trinculoisdead;1106947I'm running a couple games at that con. It's my first so I kind of just figured "safety tools" are a thing at conventions, at least here on the West coast. As GM they wanted me to select one for my games, so I just went with "open door".

Welcome to theRPGsite, Trinculoisdead!

I hope to see you there. My name is John Kim - I'm running 1001 Nights and Bluebeard's Bride on Friday, and a Star Wars larp on Sunday. I find it's a very well-run convention in general. Big Bad Con is much more prominent about these "safety tools" than the other local Bay Area cons (that's DunDraCon in February, KublaCon in May, and Pacificon in September) -- but it's not uncommon to find them used by GMs at the other cons.

Looking back at my event registration, I ended up selecting more of those than I thought - maybe because of the push you mention when submitting events. In practice, I haven't found it's a big deal either way.

Quote from: jhkim;1106846I game with a lot of people who advocate for the X-card. For example, I'm going to Big Bad Con in two weeks, which has "Safety Tools" listed with each of the events. I play games using the X-card all the time. I am absolutely certain that none of these people are planning this supposed overthrow.

Nice, me too. Any games you're particularly looking forward to? I got into Terry Olson's DCC game. He's running his new adventure, should be pretty epic.

Edit: posted simultaneously. I'm not in those games, and they're full up of course by now. Good luck and have fun though!

Has anyone ever used a safety item thing in a game you were in? I just can't imagine it ever coming up, but then I'm used to playing at friends' houses in a relaxed situation. This convention will be a little different I imagine.

I'm running a couple Dungeon Crawl Classics funnels. Hopefully all the character deaths don't trigger anyone lol.

Quote from: Trinculoisdead;1106966Nice, me too. Any games you're particularly looking forward to? I got into Terry Olson's DCC game. He's running his new adventure, should be pretty epic.

Cool. I'm trying out Starfinder for the first time there, and a Burn-Notice-inspired story game called Blowback - I'm looking forward to both of those. I also do larps -- I'm looking forward to a Fallout larp run by two friends of mine, and a Jane-Austen-based larp run by the author.

The DCC game looks cool, though I'm wary of having 8 players in a tabletop game.

He knows what he's doing, so I think it'll be okay. DCC is pretty "big-crowd-of-doomed-peasants", so at least the system lends itself to bigger groups. I saw that Jane Austen LARP, fun stuff!

Quote from: GeekyBugle;1106955you were saying?

OK, well if you have to use one, then the open door bit is little more than acknowledging that the players are not prisoners at the table. If they need to get up and leave the GM needs to be OK with that. Has this ever not been the case?