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« on: September 20, 2019, 02:15:36 am »
Check it out: Sean K. Reynolds has responded to some of the criticism of Monte Cook Games' 20-page manifesto on "Consent in RPGs". Here's my response to his comments, and how this debate reflects the core larger debate of the Culture War.

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« Reply #1 on: September 20, 2019, 05:53:09 am »
Well I don't disagree, even if my own comments to SKR were a lot more even-toned!]

BTW it's 13 pages not 20. Had to download it again just to check!

Personally I suspect this is all a cunning plan by Monte to build up his customer database...
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« Reply #2 on: September 20, 2019, 07:26:59 am »
I'm wondering if all the people saying "it's optional, you don't need to use it" are going to pretend to be surprised when GenCon requires every GM running a game to use something like this.

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« Reply #3 on: September 20, 2019, 07:36:32 am »
It's optional to go to GenCon, shitlord. If you don't like it, build your own game convention.
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« Reply #4 on: September 20, 2019, 03:12:02 pm »
Three things.

First, you're echoing a lot here what I said about the x-card - so I have to agree. I'd like frame it a little differently though: normally the GM is responsible for running the game and keeping things on track. That means he is also responsible for balancing out any conflicting interests of participants (arachnophobia versus drow campaign). What I am seeing in the x-card (and probably also the consent form) is an attempt to err on the side of caution by giving each participant a veto right. While well-intentioned it opens up a potential new aventue for abuse. And that, in short, is why I reject this new model  and remain in favor of the GM being the final arbiter of things. And walking out if you're not liking how things are being handled by him has always been an option, I don't think anyone needs to be reminded of that. (But if the underlying intention is to give insecure people enough confidence to actually take that step of walking out, I'm fine with that message.)

So, in short, the effort to remove any insecurity over the GM being in charge of the game falls short. Instead, interests need to be balanced on a case-by-case basis. X-cards and consent forms don't do the necessary individual balancing act and therefore are failed attempts at improving the game.

Secondly, writers, filmmakers, comic book authors don't put up a lot of information what to expect from their creative works in advance either. You quickly get a sense what to expect in Game of Thrones but not much advance warning. In RPGs, it should be enough to give a quick campaign outline and maybe something like "18+ content". You have no right for more information from me just because I don't have the same clout as HBO.

Thirdly, I think you may have it a bit backwards about destroying western norms, Pundy. This isn't the goal; it's means to an end. Remember what I said about the left's Robin Hood syndrome? Muslims are the "intended" victims (as in: intended for the victim role), the poor downtrodden widows and orphans, while western conservatives are intended for the role of the Sheriff of Nottingham. That's why whatever wrong muslims do gets rationalized whereas the same thing coming from a western conservative is an act of pure evil. Indeed proof that conservatives are evil by nature.

The end goal is to feel both intellectually and ethically superior your conservative neighbor (or rather those stinking smalltown USA peasants). Destroying western civilization is just means to an end, the end being feeling a hero for saving innocent people from oppression by the evil conservatives. Or the dying planet from evil businessmen,
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« Reply #5 on: September 20, 2019, 03:32:50 pm »
"All of us are weird in one way or another" Especially true among those of us who genuinely partake in geek culture in one venue or the other. :D
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« Reply #6 on: September 20, 2019, 03:50:47 pm »
Quote from: Melan;1105072
It's optional to go to GenCon, shitlord. If you don't like it, build your own game convention.


Yes, GenCon and GaryCon are both completely optional.  Not mandatory in the slightest.  In light of the current freak culture, I have zero interest in attending.
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« Reply #7 on: September 20, 2019, 03:55:54 pm »
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It's optional to go to GenCon, shitlord. If you don't like it, build your own game convention.

You jest but this will be soon a necessity. To build non partisan non political conventions and to make them anti-fragile to a take over by the fun police (from either side of the political spectrum)
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« Reply #8 on: September 21, 2019, 06:01:28 am »
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You jest but this will be soon a necessity. To build non partisan non political conventions and to make them anti-fragile to a take over by the fun police (from either side of the political spectrum)
If I ever start a convention, I can imagine the press conference.

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« Reply #9 on: September 21, 2019, 01:51:28 pm »
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If I ever start a convention, I can imagine the press conference.

"What are you doing to ensure that con goers are both physically and emotionally safe?"
"Open carry is both allowed and encouraged. You can see the safety, or you can be the safety. Preferably both. Next?"

And their heads would explode.
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« Reply #10 on: September 21, 2019, 10:11:23 pm »
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It's optional to go to GenCon, shitlord. If you don't like it, build your own game convention.


You mean like Garycon, which was then also taken over by SJWs and purged of their ideological enemies?
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« Reply #11 on: September 21, 2019, 10:30:51 pm »
RPGs are neither sane nor consentual, (but what truly is sane?). :mad: Hardcore old skool! They are pretty safe, tho, as Let's Pretend generally is. :o (Unless one is not sane... :eek: oh no, I think I found the paradox! /winks out into The Safe Space!)
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« Reply #12 on: September 22, 2019, 12:44:15 am »
You know every day I am agreeing with Raging Golden Eagle.  These SJWs just want to destroy everything and once they do we need to keep them out of the newly resurrected hobbies.

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« Reply #13 on: September 22, 2019, 12:48:10 am »
Hey Pundit, I had not listened to any of your podcast before, (I don't normally listen to any podcasts by anyone, they are too time consuming.) but if you turned all of your podcasts into blog posts, then I would be inclined to read them all.

I agree with pretty much everything you said. Your points about the abnormal vs the normal are very apt. Mentally ill people need to get help, not come insist that they rest of us enable their mental illness.

Everyone typically gives short shrift to mental health and that short shrift has led directly to our PC left wing world where more and more the mentally ill are in charge and making the rules. I don't remember who said it, but paraphrasing, it was something along the lines of "Never allow anyone who wants to be in a position of authority/power to be given any authority/power, because the mere fact that someone wants authority/power is proof that it is not safe for them to be given authority/power."
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« Reply #14 on: September 22, 2019, 04:25:11 am »
I posted this in the other Monte Cuck threads, but it bears repeating.

If you want more "Consent in Gaming" products and SJW bullshit in the hobby, please keep giving your money to Monte Cook and WotC.

Otherwise, vote with your dollars for RPG creators who don't shovel this shit into our hobby.
 

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Hey Pundit, I had not listened to any of your podcast before, (I don't normally listen to any podcasts by anyone, they are too time consuming.) but if you turned all of your podcasts into blog posts, then I would be inclined to read them all.

Agreed.  I wonder if there is a voice-to-text editor that's good enough to translate podcasts in a meaningful manner that doesn't turn them into Bad Lip Reading videos.