Mindjammer doesn't have any of this nonsense. It's written as really interesting technological/social scifi, not as pretentious sophomoric 'edgy' political scifi.

Quote from: RPGPundit;1058903Mindjammer doesn't have any of this nonsense. It's written as really interesting technological/social scifi, not as pretentious sophomoric 'edgy' political scifi.

What part of Nova Praxis is 'edgy' political sci-fi or are you only ragging on Eclipse Phase?

Quote from: Rhedyn;1058919What part of Nova Praxis is 'edgy' political sci-fi or are you only ragging on Eclipse Phase?

 Eclipse Phase. I haven't looked at Nova Praxis, so you'd have to tell me.

I will be very curious to see what the future of Eclipse Phase will be now that one of the Posthuman Studio partners is leaving the project--apparently acrimoneously.

http://eclipsephase.com/jake-carter-signing-out

Quote from: JRT;1059734I will be very curious to see what the future of Eclipse Phase will be now that one of the Posthuman Studio partners is leaving the project--apparently acrimoneously.

http://eclipsephase.com/jake-carter-signing-out

So, Rob cheated him out of a profit share?  Because when I see "legal non-disclosure" my mind thinks less "I don't like these things that were said" and more "there's actual money involved".

Quote from: san dee jota;1059736So, Rob cheated him out of a profit share?  Because when I see "legal non-disclosure" my mind thinks less "I don't like these things that were said" and more "there's actual money involved".

Well, at least we didn't jump to Rob molesting his children while he was out.

Quote from: RPGPundit;1059705Eclipse Phase. I haven't looked at Nova Praxis, so you'd have to tell me.

The only "edgy" parts I've seen is all sides have reasonable elements and society at large has mostly transitioned to money-less economies (though not quite socialist depending on which socialist you ask).

In the current political climate of "One side is Evil and Wrong" that could be considered edgy.

Eclipse Phase sort of assumes that people eventually win over the megacorps. In Nova Praxis, that hasn't happened yet and might not happen. Eclipse Phase starts off with every human being in a sleeve. In Nova Praxis there is resistance to the idea of sleeving and it isn't portrayed as an absolute evil. Eclipse Phase has strong opinions about what religions can even fathom transhumanism while Nova Praxis dares to claim that some theologians may reconceptualize the concept of the soul to make room for Sleeved people in their faith and doesn't make any strong claims that certain religions of died-off or couldn't adapt.

I guess there is a mildly "edgy" side story in Nova Praxis where someone gets a new cross-gender sleeve and their religious parents are concern that they are not even the same person anymore on top of general discomfort with a gender-swap of their child.  

Something "edgy" for Sci-fi is that the super AI didn't kill all humans. It just turned off and Earth was destroyed by a human driven Grey Goo incident.

Something to add, Gizmodo had a story on how Christianity, Judaism and Islam would handle space travel, new worlds and discovering aliens. Evangelicals didn't do so well, but all other Christians and the others looked to be able to weather it pretty well. So  I expect the same to handle transhumanism with not too, too many bumps.

Quote from: Rhedyn;1059786Eclipse Phase sort of assumes that people eventually win over the megacorps.

Not really. The Hypercorps control Mars (where the largest portion of the population lives), and both Luna (and surrounding habs) along with Venus are fairly compatible with Hypercorp culture. Likewise, the Jovians have their hyper-conservative take on what is essentially part of that same club. The other side of the fence--the anarchists and friends--all exist on the fringes of the setting (Scum Fleets, Belters, Outer-System weirdos) and on Titan. The issue isn't that the megacorps are going to lose, it's that they are definitely painted as the bad guys of the setting while the Space Antifa are paraded as true heroes and The Only Ones That Can Save Humanity (through the Argonauts and Firewall).

Quote from: HappyDaze;1059806Not really. The Hypercorps control Mars (where the largest portion of the population lives), and both Luna (and surrounding habs) along with Venus are fairly compatible with Hypercorp culture. Likewise, the Jovians have their hyper-conservative take on what is essentially part of that same club. The other side of the fence--the anarchists and friends--all exist on the fringes of the setting (Scum Fleets, Belters, Outer-System weirdos) and on Titan. The issue isn't that the megacorps are going to lose, it's that they are definitely painted as the bad guys of the setting while the Space Antifa are paraded as true heroes and The Only Ones That Can Save Humanity (through the Argonauts and Firewall).

Yeah but Nova Praxis megacorps still have compilers locked down, while Eclipse Phase revolutionaries already found a hack.

With the way EP sets it up, the corps are already starting to lose control.

Quote from: Rhedyn;1059809With the way EP sets it up, the corps are already starting to lose control.

Over a tiny portion of the population. They can control access to their areas of the solar system (extra-solar colonies are a special case), and they can control nano-fabricators in those areas. Smuggling is nigh-impossible the way they've set things up. So yes, the Anarchists may slowly grow and thrive, but they're not really much of a threat.

Quote from: Rhedyn;1059786The only "edgy" parts I've seen is all sides have reasonable elements and society at large has mostly transitioned to money-less economies (though not quite socialist depending on which socialist you ask).

In the current political climate of "One side is Evil and Wrong" that could be considered edgy.

In a Transhumanist setting there shouldn't really be anything resembling an economy in any standard sense. The idea that 'in a post-scarcity future everyone would be socialist' is absolutely ridiculous, just as ridiculous as "in a post-scarcity economy everyone would still use money".

Quote from: RPGPundit;1060238In a Transhumanist setting there shouldn't really be anything resembling an economy in any standard sense. The idea that 'in a post-scarcity future everyone would be socialist' is absolutely ridiculous, just as ridiculous as "in a post-scarcity economy everyone would still use money".

and here I think socialism (as communism) could only work in a post scarcity economy.

I only classify the NP universe of majority socialist because any citizen can not work and still have most of their needs and wants provided for them.

Quote from: Rhedyn;1060269and here I think socialism (as communism) could only work in a post scarcity economy.

I only classify the NP universe of majority socialist because any citizen can not work and still have most of their needs and wants provided for them.

That's not socialism, though. Socialism assumes the abolition of personal property.

Quote from: RPGPundit;1060807That's not socialism, though. Socialism assumes the abolition of personal property.

*Let me check with my comically communist friend.

He says it's the abolition of Private Property not personal property where property is being used as a synonym for commodity.

Oh boy and where, "private property (for all intents and purposes) is just land and equipment used to produce a commodity."

In that sense Nova Praxis is socialist in that the fabricators are not owned privately, but is not socialist because the megacorps/government owns them and that government does not meet most socialist definitions.

The Rep economy is a very different than a normal economy. Under a normal economy those who gather the raw resources and those who own the fabricators would be super wealthy and all society would revolve around serving them (or pleasing them with art). Under a Rep economy, your wealth is determined by how society as a whole values you, which could do a decent job at curbing the abuses of the wealthy because if everyone hates you, you become "poor" and not respected. Nova Praxis covers most of the edge cases and philosophical break downs with, "and lots of advance AI monitor this process to prevent abuses".

What the Rep economy is not is a true post scarcity socialist utopia, the Rep economy in Nova Praxis is for a near-post scarcity society. There is enough for everyone, within reason. Everyone can't have fleets of Dreadnoughts, but everyone can afford all the food they can eat, immortality, all the entertainment they can consume, and lavish homes with luxuries beyond imagining all without doing any labor.