Quote from: Spinachcat;1053443Any word on the GenCon drama?

Did the cops do anything?

Did the McJackass attacker re-emerge on social media?

Did Hambly get a lawyer to file anything?

Or has the whole thing gone poof?

Jeremy did a vid on this.
The SJW douche got fired from his job teaching game theory at a college.
Charges were filed and he's being sued. Apparently things are in motion but yoiu know how slow our system can be.
If you go to the Quartering channel on youtube he has his vid on it.

Quote from: baran_i_kanu;1053462Jeremy did a vid on this.
The SJW douche got fired from his job teaching game theory at a college.
Charges were filed and he's being sued. Apparently things are in motion but yoiu know how slow our system can b
If you go to the Quartering channel on youtube he has his vid on it.

Glad to hear it. It's as if people don't have a basic survival skill. "Let me go publicly punch someone and tell everyone about it" Yet somehow they expect not to be fired from or reprimanded at work. It boggles my mind. If I tried that stuff one too many times my entire family and most of my friends would disown me. Lack of any kind of help of any kind from family and friends does wonders on ones behavior. The issue is family tends to do the stupid thing and forgive and forget so they learn nothing.

Quote from: sureshot;1053493Glad to hear it. It's as if people don't have a basic survival skill. "Let me go publicly punch someone and tell everyone about it" Yet somehow they expect not to be fired from or reprimanded at work. It boggles my mind. If I tried that stuff one too many times my entire family and most of my friends would disown me. Lack of any kind of help of any kind from family and friends does wonders on ones behavior. The issue is family tends to do the stupid thing and forgive and forget so they learn nothing.

People who do thing kind of thing (especially to complete strangers) are generally not mentally well-balanced people.

Quote from: TJS;1053547People who do thing kind of thing (especially to complete strangers) are generally not mentally well-balanced people.

True but I and some I know not to go up to a random person and simply start throwing punches. Hambly attacker was lucky he was not carrying a gun. Most people in that situation who are armed with a weapon are more "shoot/swing first ask questions later". It's poor parenting coupled with too many people going around with undiagnosed mental illness. If Hambly attacker was a friend he would be dead to me because who knows when he may turn on me. If a family member especially a close one I would kick his ass. If I tried that shit my dad if he was alive would take a two by four and kick my ass. My mom would forbid me from going over to their place. I would lose most if not all my friends.

Quote from: jeff37923;1053408I think that we go to different bars....

EDIT: Holy crap! Sorry about the multiple posts.

Don't post immediately after hitting those bars!

Quote from: The Exploited.;1053130From my observations 95% of adults cannot fight their way out of a paper bag. Because it's a lost skill... Average people just don't need to be able to fight. Anyone can be sucker punched if they don't understand the attack ritual.

People who win fights tend to be highly aggressive, punch first and then just continue attacking capitalizing on their momentum. It's the classic mugger or a gratuitous attacker's MO. it's very hard to deal with it if you don't understand modern violence or the 'three second fighter' as legendary doorman Geoff Thompson called it.

I think your estimate is generous to be honest, or maybe the odds are better in Europe. In the USA we used to figure out these things as kids as people have mentioned.  Most schools have a zero tolerance policy for violence and retaliation to an attacker in school gets you suspended.  I know it looks like the attacker in this case is getting to pay some consequences.  I just hope people wanting to take violent action from internet interactions doesn't continue to escalate.

Quote from: oggsmash;1053694I think your estimate is generous to be honest, or maybe the odds are better in Europe. In the USA we used to figure out these things as kids as people have mentioned.  Most schools have a zero tolerance policy for violence and retaliation to an attacker in school gets you suspended.

It does make you think though about the number of kids programs for martial arts. I knew just a couple of people that did it when I was a kid, but now, enrolling your kid in a martial arts program is far, far more common.

Quote from: Lynn;1053700It does make you think though about the number of kids programs for martial arts. I knew just a couple of people that did it when I was a kid, but now, enrolling your kid in a martial arts program is far, far more common.

Depends on the program. Most "martial arts" places do not really prepare kids for a street-fight. You'll know these immediately by their lack of emphasis on sparring.

But a high-school wrestler, or a kid that goes to a boxing gym, or legit BJJ studio... then you're talking a different ballgame in a streetfight. Generally speaking of course.

Experience matters. Most normies on the street don't actively engage in fisticuffs. But wrestlers, and BJJ, Boxing/Muay Thai schools generally emphasize a lot of sparring. Plus they're learning practical techniques that work. It makes a huge difference.

Edit: but I generally agree with you. There are a lot more quality training facilities for kids these days.

Quote from: tenbones;1053703Depends on the program. Most "martial arts" places do not really prepare kids for a street-fight. You'll know these immediately by their lack of emphasis on sparring.

But a high-school wrestler, or a kid that goes to a boxing gym, or legit BJJ studio... then you're talking a different ballgame in a streetfight. Generally speaking of course.

Experience matters. Most normies on the street don't actively engage in fisticuffs. But wrestlers, and BJJ, Boxing/Muay Thai schools generally emphasize a lot of sparring. Plus they're learning practical techniques that work. It makes a huge difference.

Edit: but I generally agree with you. There are a lot more quality training facilities for kids these days.

How much do martial arts schools (any type) actually teach situational awareness? From my limited experience, the main thing on the street is to be aware some guy is about to take a swing at you, so you can block* it. Much more than actually winning a fight.

*IME the kind of guy who takes random swings at people tends to be eminently blockable. Real big scary looking guys don't tend to do this.

The numbers of kids in martial arts programs I can not attest to on a national scale.  I do think things like BJJ schools are much more common now than say 20 years ago.  That combined with no tolerance policy and a....curbing of physical rowdiness for kids has created a market for kids doing BJJ at least in my area, as many parents want their kids to be able to fend for themselves if an altercation becomes physical.  I know adults at lots of martial arts schools go over situational awareness, but honestly the people I say train the most fall into two categories, ones who will likely never get in a fight (white collar employment, good sense, don't hang around rooms full of drunks) or will definitely be in a fight (police officers).  This does t include amateur and professional fighters, since I know none of those personally who get into street fights (not that some don't, but despite being hyper prepared it just doesn't happen much).  I always tell people, anyone who comes to me who gets into multiple fights as an adult who is not a cop/ bouncer/similar, they need counseling not training in how to fight.  I suspect our aggressor in this story is one of those. He said he was a Krav Maga "instructor" but that is a very relative term IME with Krav Maga.

Quote from: baran_i_kanu;1053462Jeremy did a vid on this.
The SJW douche got fired from his job teaching game theory at a college.
Charges were filed and he's being sued. Apparently things are in motion but yoiu know how slow our system can be.
If you go to the Quartering channel on youtube he has his vid on it.

I am glad proper channels are being (mostly) followed. I still dislike the college punishing before guilt is proven, but I also understand issues of institutional CYA (cover your ass). It is sad it has come to this among nerdy adults, (because this is a demographic of people who I think should know better, and at least know how to use their words,). But hopefully this "wallet-punching for restitution" will remind people to keep things civil in-person.

Opening the floodgates to incivility invites the deluge... :eek:

Agreed. I'd far rather employers waiting for a verdict, or at least an arrest....in all cases.

My friend's stepson is in martial arts and his quote? "I wish it was more like Cobra Kai."

Quote from: S'mon;1053707How much do martial arts schools (any type) actually teach situational awareness? From my limited experience, the main thing on the street is to be aware some guy is about to take a swing at you, so you can block* it. Much more than actually winning a fight.

*IME the kind of guy who takes random swings at people tends to be eminently blockable. Real big scary looking guys don't tend to do this.

Depends. I know in Gracie BJJ (Machado's too) they generally are very big about de-escalation, but ultimately you're there to roll. So yaknow, you're gonna roll. But anyone that does this stuff seriously, even as a hobby, comes to understand once they have a certain level of proficiency that fighting is usually very unnecessary because at a certain point it's not really a fight. An average person isn't going to stand a chance against your average BJJ blue-belt+, or someone with a few years of wrestling/boxing/Muay-Thai under their belt where they were really doing the work.

Mind you I'm not talking about getting cold-cocked. When it's on, it's on. So it varies depending on who you train with. But *generally* most of the big BJJ studios with known pedigrees are pretty solid and emphasize de-escalation as a norm because you never know what you're going to get into. And grappling doesn't do you much good when his buddy has a knife or brick to brain you with.

When it comes to normies just randomly swinging at you. Sure. This is where we leave situational awareness and go into the sub-category of "Fight IQ". Most people that haven't done any kind of combat sports, and even then, until you have a lot of experience - everyone generally has the Fight IQ of a retard.

People fall into the adrenaline rush, don't know how to control it, and it becomes a spastic attempt at egg-beating your opponent senseless. Even people that practice martial arts but don't do a lot of active sparring, take a couple of seconds to calibrate to bring their skills in-line. In those couple of seconds you gotta size up your opponent, but also hopefully engage your Situational Awareness too (are they alone? weapon? is this a good place to deal with this? Any exits to bolt to? etc). But assuming it's going to turn into an engagement, cool heads and a few good techniques will take you quite far.

This is why grapplers are in my opinion generally more dangerous and why I recommend sending your kids to wrestling and BJJ programs. When you engage in grappling styles you go 100% in training. Repeatedly. And the vast majority of people don't really know how to defend against takedowns, trips, etc. or worse, locks and large/small joint manipulation, chokes etc. Normies wanna flail and eggbeat and pretend they know how to "box". When in reality they don't know anything other than what they saw in a movie.


*I'm biased. I wrestled for 6-years.

Is the douchebag still listed as a guest in the upcoming PAX con?

The attacker deserves to be convicted. No question about that. And I truly hope he gets what he has coming to him.

However. Hambly was at what has been traditionally been a WOTC event. GenCon has always been that. And WOTC banned him from all of their events. So there is some blame coming their way because of his ability to attend an event where he otherwise should have been banned.

Does that justify the attacker attacking him? Not at all. But WOTC possesses a certain responsibility in not standing up to the fact they have banned him from all of their other events. They enabled the situation by not acting.

I'm not going to argue whether their ban was justified or not. It is what it is.