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Youtuber violently assaulted at Gencon by sjw

Started by mhensley, August 02, 2018, 06:31:51 PM

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EOTB

#570
August 22, 2018, 09:46:30 PM
WOTC sold GenCon almost 20 years ago.
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danskmacabre

#571
August 22, 2018, 11:03:14 PM
Quote from: EOTB;1053751WOTC sold GenCon almost 20 years ago.

And whatever the case, he wasn't assaulted at Gencon anyway, he was assaulted in a pub OUTSIDE Gencon, so it's irrelevant whether he should have been banned or not although as pointed out by yourself, it's not a WOTC event anyway.

Omega

#572
August 23, 2018, 03:24:24 AM
Quote from: Darrin Kelley;1053750The attacker deserves to be convicted. No question about that. And I truly hope he gets what he has coming to him.

However. Hambly was at what has been traditionally been a WOTC event. GenCon has always been that. And WOTC banned him from all of their events. So there is some blame coming their way because of his ability to attend an event where he otherwise should have been banned.

Does that justify the attacker attacking him? Not at all. But WOTC possesses a certain responsibility in not standing up to the fact they have banned him from all of their other events. They enabled the situation by not acting.

I'm not going to argue whether their ban was justified or not. It is what it is.

He was only banned as I believe a reporter because he spoke out against WOTCs increasingly funky handling of MTG tournaments or somesuch. He has not been banned as a regular attendee. If I recall right, reporters get in for free or reduced cost. So Hambly just bought a pass.

Omega

#573
August 23, 2018, 03:34:20 AM
Quote from: EOTB;1053751WOTC sold GenCon almost 20 years ago.

Not sure for how long but Andon Games or its creator handled GenCon for several years for TSR and probably for WOTC when they bought TSR.

Gagarth

#574
August 23, 2018, 04:49:03 AM
'Don't join us. Work hard, get good degrees, join the Establishment and serve our cause from within.' Harry Pollitt - Communist Party GB

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wmarshal

#575
August 23, 2018, 07:46:16 AM
The webarchve link you gave seems to refer to the 2017 con, not the current one. So it might just be the case he wasn't going to have a presence at PAX this year to begin with.

KingCheops

#576
August 23, 2018, 12:24:40 PM
Quote from: danskmacabre;1053753And whatever the case, he wasn't assaulted at Gencon anyway, he was assaulted in a pub OUTSIDE Gencon, so it's irrelevant whether he should have been banned or not although as pointed out by yourself, it's not a WOTC event anyway.

If a featured vendor grabbed a girl by the pussy at a GenCon after-party (not at the venue) and she reported it to the police and GenCon what do you think the response would have been?

Mistwell

#577
August 23, 2018, 01:41:09 PM
Quote from: Darrin Kelley;1053750However. Hambly was at what has been traditionally been a WOTC event.

What decade are you living in, and can I ask you to make some stock investments for me from the past?

Ras Algethi

#578
August 23, 2018, 03:36:40 PM
Quote from: Darrin Kelley;1053750The attacker deserves to be convicted. No question about that. And I truly hope he gets what he has coming to him.

However. Hambly was at what has been traditionally been a WOTC event. GenCon has always been that. And WOTC banned him from all of their events. So there is some blame coming their way because of his ability to attend an event where he otherwise should have been banned.

Does that justify the attacker attacking him? Not at all. But WOTC possesses a certain responsibility in not standing up to the fact they have banned him from all of their other events. They enabled the situation by not acting.

I'm not going to argue whether their ban was justified or not. It is what it is.

"Ma'am you should not have worn that dress to that bar. If you weren't there the rape wouldn't have happened."

Gagarth

#579
August 23, 2018, 05:19:32 PM Last Edit: August 23, 2018, 05:24:05 PM by Gagarth
'Don't join us. Work hard, get good degrees, join the Establishment and serve our cause from within.' Harry Pollitt - Communist Party GB

"Don't worry about the election, Trump's not gonna win. I made f*cking sure of that!" Eric Coomer -  Dominion Voting Systems Officer of Strategy and Security

HappyDaze

#580
August 23, 2018, 06:04:12 PM
Quote from: Gagarth;1053820Fucking google and way back


http://cc.bingj.com/cache.aspx?q=%22Matt+Fantastic%22+and+%22pax+west%22&d=4792583964270183&mkt=en-GB&setlang=en-GB&w=xoCEKXRV-72DalhKWg0blN5EP-caxk3p

http://west.paxsite.com/schedule/panel/double-game-tabletop-design-hour

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I'm not sure what you're trying to show. The one that actually talks about Matt is also set for Firday, September 1--which does not occur in 2018.

wmarshal

#581
August 23, 2018, 06:34:44 PM
Quote from: Gagarth;1053820Fucking google and way back


http://cc.bingj.com/cache.aspx?q=%22Matt+Fantastic%22+and+%22pax+west%22&d=4792583964270183&mkt=en-GB&setlang=en-GB&w=xoCEKXRV-72DalhKWg0blN5EP-caxk3p

http://west.paxsite.com/schedule/panel/double-game-tabletop-design-hour

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What is cc.bingj.com? I can't find any real info about that site being an archival site. As far as I can tell that's just a link to an image, but there's no real way to verify its accuracy. I'm not trying to stand up for Matt, but for all I can tell that image is a photoshop job. I don't know that it is fake, but I have little current basis to trust it.

danskmacabre

#582
August 23, 2018, 07:07:47 PM
Quote from: KingCheops;1053798If a featured vendor grabbed a girl by the pussy at a GenCon after-party (not at the venue) and she reported it to the police and GenCon what do you think the response would have been?

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make in response to my above statement.
However to clarify. My views on the matter follows.

The guy who got assaulted should not have been banned from Gencon (he wasn't so all good).
He should not have been assaulted.
The guy who assaulted him should be prosecuted.

If he was present at a after Gencon party off site, him being assaulted should be treated as seriously as a woman who got sexually assaulted, although in your example, you can be sure Gencon would have been falling over themselves supporting her.
As far as I  know, he was not supported by Gencon or even a statement, which I feel they should have said something about not approving of him being assaulted at the very least.

All in all, it was handled terribly and people cheering on his assault are pretty awful.

KingCheops

#583
August 23, 2018, 09:09:03 PM
Quote from: danskmacabre;1053830I'm not sure what point you're trying to make in response to my above statement.
However to clarify. My views on the matter follows.

The guy who got assaulted should not have been banned from Gencon (he wasn't so all good).
He should not have been assaulted.
The guy who assaulted him should be prosecuted.

If he was present at a after Gencon party off site, him being assaulted should be treated as seriously as a woman who got sexually assaulted, although in your example, you can be sure Gencon would have been falling over themselves supporting her.
As far as I  know, he was not supported by Gencon or even a statement, which I feel they should have said something about not approving of him being assaulted at the very least.

All in all, it was handled terribly and people cheering on his assault are pretty awful.

The point is that in either case the alleged criminal should have been barred from the venue and his booth removed.  This is likely what would have happened in the sexual assault scenario.

You seem to be of the opinion that if it happens away from an official venue there should be no official response.  So if my hypothetical woman was assaulted at a non-official venue you feel an exhibitor shouldn't be removed from the convention?  Remember the attacker was an exhibitor and was in fact featured the very next day on their Facebook page.

danskmacabre

#584
August 23, 2018, 09:35:40 PM Last Edit: August 23, 2018, 09:37:52 PM by danskmacabre
Quote from: KingCheops;1053848You seem to be of the opinion that if it happens away from an official venue there should be no official response.  So if my hypothetical woman was assaulted at a non-official venue you feel an exhibitor shouldn't be removed from the convention?  Remember the attacker was an exhibitor and was in fact featured the very next day on their Facebook page.

Sorry, I think I'm missing something here. So I need some clarity before I answer.

Was the guy who was assaulted an exhibitor at the event?
I thought he was some YouTube guy who was visiting Gencon?

If I understand correctly, the guy who committed the assault WAS an exhibitor at Gencon (I think he made some boardgame or something?).

Quote from: KingCheops;1053848The point is that in either case the alleged criminal should have been barred from the venue and his booth removed.  This is likely what would have happened in the sexual assault scenario.

Absolutely I agree here. Assuming you mean the alleged criminal is the guy who committed the assault.
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