Yep the CalArts style from the California Institute of the Arts. A style for the talentless who not only can't draw but don't even want to learn to draw. And then, they just draw other people's stuff like a shit cover version.

https://www.dailydot.com/parsec/thundercats-roar-backlash-calarts/

Quote from: S'mon;1045318Do you ever do this sort of thing, and if so how?

Usually do max HP at first level, but I might not do it next time. We'll see.

Quote from: Mike the Mage;1045593Yep the CalArts style from the California Institute of the Arts. A style for the talentless who not only can't draw but don't even want to learn to draw. And then, they just draw other people's stuff like a shit cover version.

https://www.dailydot.com/parsec/thundercats-roar-backlash-calarts/

To think you just could go down state and learn the craft properly at the Watts Atelier. And it would be much cheaper, too.

In Lion & Dragon characters start out as 0-level, with 1d6 hp (modified by CON; Scots Men get +1hp extra).
If they survive their first adventure, they get to level 1, where they roll a hit die (modified by CON) based on class. After that, whenever they level up they are guaranteed +1 or +2 hp, not modified.  Beyond that, every time a character levels they roll twice (or choose once) from a table of bonuses. One entry on that table is another die worth of hp (modified by CON).

All this means that a level 1 character in L&D is going to have about a d6+CON extra hp compared to most OSR games; as characters level up though they'll have less HP inflation than most OSR games.

Quote from: RPGPundit;1046589All this means that a level 1 character in L&D is going to have about a d6+CON extra hp compared to most OSR games; as characters level up though they'll have less HP inflation than most OSR games.

Seems like a good approach.

Quote from: S'mon;1046599Seems like a good approach.

It's worked well in our L&D games.

Quote from: RPGPundit;1047234It's worked well in our L&D games.

I just got Skyscrapers & Sorcery from RPGnow and I see it does the same, except for starting PCs at 1st level - PCs get 3 + CON mod hp as 0th levellers pre game, plus their 1st level hit die (+CON) when they enter play. So typically 3 + d6 + 2xCON mod. Works out similar to my max hit die + CON mod approach for S&W, or to the '9 hp on 1st hit die' I've been using for White Star.

Overall it definitely feels to me that for OSR/OD&D type games, 1st level PCs with around 6-10 hp (rather than ca 2-6 hp per RAW) is the sweet spot - basically the same sort of hp tallies as in 3e & 5e, except in those editions monsters do more damage so PCs stay squishy. 5e seems very much designed for just starting PCs at 2nd or 3rd anyway so it doesn't feel as much an issue there. 6-10 lets them often take a hit but they still feel in danger, as opposed to eg Hackmaster giving everyone +20 hp, or systems like 4e that give full CON score plus class bonus as hp.

Skyscrapers and Sorcery? What's that about?

Quote from: RPGPundit;1047493Skyscrapers and Sorcery? What's that about?

PWYW here - https://www.rpgnow.com/product/170607/Skyscrapers--Sorcery-White-Box-Rules?

I had never heard of it until I saw a mention on an old Dragonsfoot post. It's inspired by White Star's take on Swords & Wizardry. It's modern-ish era with guns and magic; no strict setting but the default tropes seem close to Dark Conspiracy, which is what interested me. It could also be played more like Shadowrun.

Hmm, guess it flew under the radar.

Quote from: RPGPundit;1047857Hmm, guess it flew under the radar.

From a read through I like it - I like White Star a lot - classes seem pretty good, but the OD&D spell descriptions needed more work, eg charm person appears to be permanent as written. A bit more on world background ideas and campaign styles would be good. The (large) sample adventure is quite interesting but the way it appears to have goblins as a semi-normal part of society is very Shadowrun and wouldn't work for a lot of urban fantasy.

The Traveller style task resolution system is 2d6 + mods, need 9+ to succeed, which feels like a very odd choice to me. I'm never sure why games get you to roll Attribute scores & then don't use those scores. OTOH the "3 points of prior careers" system where you get to add your career to the roll is IMO a little bit of genius, it takes very little time to assign PC careers while giving a lot more character depth plus substantial play impact. I may steal that for other OD&D-based games.

Why did you mention White Star? It's not by the same person, right?

Quote from: RPGPundit;1048033Why did you mention White Star? It's not by the same person, right?

The author of S&S says he was inspired by WS's adaptation of S&W White Box, and it's obvious in the class presentation.

Quote from: S'mon;1048044The author of S&S says he was inspired by WS's adaptation of S&W White Box, and it's obvious in the class presentation.

Ah I see.