Quote from: Gronan of Simmerya;1024094Mara Jade should have been spaced a hundred words after she first appeared.

I'm curious. Why should she have been flushed?

Well, it's just a personal opinion.  But I hated the character instantly.

She was like chewing on tinfoil with a mouthful of fillings.

Quote from: Gronan of Simmerya;1024112Well, it's just a personal opinion.  But I hated the character instantly.

She was like chewing on tinfoil with a mouthful of fillings.

Was there anything specific?  (Honest question.)

Quote from: Christopher Brady;1024118Was there anything specific?  (Honest question.)

She is a massive bitch when first introduced, and her constant "I hate you, I'm going to kill you and fuck you for wanting to know why" attitude got old very quickly.

Thankfully, it only lasted around 3 books.

Quote from: Warboss Squee;1024131She is a massive bitch when first introduced, and her constant "I hate you, I'm going to kill you and fuck you for wanting to know why" attitude got old very quickly.

Thankfully, it only lasted around 3 books.

The "I'm better than Luke at everything!" shtick got old for me real quick.

Quote from: Warboss Squee;1024131She is a massive bitch when first introduced, and her constant "I hate you, I'm going to kill you and fuck you for wanting to know why" attitude got old very quickly.

Thankfully, it only lasted around 3 books.

  And she's really only particularly abrasive about it for the second half of the first book. After that, the edges start wearing off a bit.

Quote from: ThatChrisGuy;1024133The "I'm better than Luke at everything!" shtick got old for me real quick.

  Well, that's a reasonable part of the character's attitude considering her background ... and since she nearly gets herself killed twice in the first book alone, it's pretty clearly just her attitude than an objective attribute. (She's definitely competent, but she's not a Mary Sue.)

What everybody above said.

Mara is one of my favorite characters, and the Luke/Mara pairing is probably the only 'ship' I've really backed, but even I have to acknowledge that the character can be annoying and rub people the wrong way, especially in the early books.

Quote from: Christopher Brady;1024084The Zahn books were considered among the best, and a lot of fans really liked Mara Jade and Thrawn and wanted them to be canon.  However, the Zahn idea of the Clone Wars was cloned Jedi that went mad.  So when the prequels were made, Thrawn and Jade were suddenly non-canon.  But I also found out that there were a huge group of the fanbase didn't realize, or didn't want to, that they weren't.  That's how beloved they had become.

Zahn's Clone Wars idea made a lot more narrative sense. Think about it - the Jedi had largely disappeared by the time Episode IV happened. If we assume the Jedi/Sith were already super-rare, this was solid narrative in that making the Clone Wars a kind of internal Jedi-shadow war among themselves largely out of view of the public that already assumed they were urban myths aside from clear evidence they at one time existed, made perfect sense.

As opposed to having them be the leaders of a gigantic galaxy-wide war and a mere 19-years later everyone has largely forgotten about them. Drivel.

Plus it opens up some very dark possibilities which Zahn hinted at. Edit- And Thrawn and the Chiss are *awesome*.

Quote from: CausticJedi;1023983http://deckplans.00sf.com/Research/Prequel.html  I had run across this website years ago and happened to stumble across it again recently and I think this guy lays out a great argument with quotes and dates and such.  Skim through that a bit to better understand my POV.

I've been accused of being a "defender" of the Prequels, which is odd since movies that are among the most successful ever made don't really need to be defended. But one reason I have little patience for those who bash the movies is that not one of them has ever come up with a criticism that isn't dishonest, ignorant, willfully stupid, severely retarded, or all of the above. The site you linked to is exhibit Z, right behind the hour-long YouTube videos from the guy who also yuks it up about humping cats and mutilating women in his basement.

QuoteOh, come on and please grow up.  "You're dumb."  Fucking please.  We're here arguing fantasy and make believe and I'm trying to get some enjoyment from it, but man, this 4chan attitude is somewhat a surprise.

You're still dumb.

QuoteThe timeline that was established during the movies is too advanced, too compressed to make sense.  That's my argument.  The timeline that Lucas authorized as canon as written by WEG and other authors made sense as when things happened -- as I said, when the Death Star I and II were built, by whom; when Palpatine took over the galactic senate and created the Empire.... this last one is particularly jarring.  We're expected to believe that in the space of nineteen years, the entire galaxy pretty much forgot all about jedi -- enough that Solo who was well-traveled by the time of A New Hope, didn't know much about them and (through Solo) we're to understand that his is a common perception.

The others have already gone over this, but surely you didn't have your head all the way up your ass when watching the movies, did you?  When the Jedi were rare to begin with, exterminated to the point where only two remained and both were in hiding AND the Galactic Empire was a police state, people made it point not to say much of anything about them. In any event, Solo knew enough about them to recognize "hokey religions and ancient weapons" when he saw them, and scoffed at the idea that Luke had actually become a Jedi Knight in ROTJ. So people remembered the Jedi.

QuoteIn the EU, the Empire had been around for about fifty-ish years and the Clone Wars were fought before that happened.

Well then the EU, like my toy Millennium Falcon, was wrong.

QuoteThings like that.

Oy vey. :rolleyes:

Quote from: Gronan of Simmerya;1024094Mara Jade should have been spaced a hundred words after she first appeared.

The new canon nullifies her existence. What more do you want?

Quote from: Krimson;1024718The new canon nullifies her existence. What more do you want?

Like the Auditors and the Hogfather, I want her to never have been!

Quote from: Gronan of Simmerya;1024721Like the Auditors and the Hogfather, I want her to never have been!

Fixed Point in Time. I'm so sorry.

Today the Hogfather, tomorrow the world!