Quote from: Erik BoielleSorry dude, GW may be having issues (I mean, they do every once in a while - usually they fire some people and raise their prices and it goes away) but anyone who thinks it would HELP for them to piss away money marketing an RPG is dreaming.

Like I said, there's a vast untapped market of ex-wargamers out there who GW aren't catering to. Marketing in this case would simply be devoting some shelf space, talking it up in-store and running a few demos. It needn't cost an arm and a leg.

QuoteThats just the way it is. You don't have to like it, or think it is fair, but there it is.

In most cases I'd agree, but GW are in the unique position of having hundreds of dedicated stores frequented by customers who've already bought into the Warhammer mythology. It's not like someone would be trying to spring an all-new paradigm on them, especially given the abundance of fiction and setting material that sells so well. I'd even go as far to say that it's a golden opportunity for revitalising the rpg hobby. And lets face it, their current model just isn't working for them in the same way any more.

QuoteThe business pages of the IHT and the analysts advising shorting the stock, are they disgruntled fans also?

Yeah, but do you think it would help to be nicer or sell RPGs or do any of the shit the AQs here think they should?

For instance:

QuoteLike I said, there's a vast untapped market of ex-wargamers out there who GW aren't catering to.

Bullshit.

Sorry dude, after a while you just get old and no one cares about you any more.

Quote from: Erik BoielleBullshit.

Any more pearls of wisdom to be found in your scathing rebuttal?

Thought not.

Quote from: DrewAny more pearls of wisdom to be found in your scathing rebuttal?

Thought not.

How about you invest your life savings on that bet.

Go on. Put your money and your kids future where your mouth is.

I'll be waiting here with the popcorn when you lose it all.

Quote from: Erik BoielleHow about you invest your life savings on that bet.

Go on. Put your money and your kids future where your mouth is.

I'll be waiting here with the popcorn when you lose it all.

Your challenge would only be in the slightest bit appropriate if you asked me to bet a tiny fraction of my annual income, as that's all it would cost GW to promote WFRP.

Still. Nice try.

Quote from: DrewAny more pearls of wisdom to be found in your scathing rebuttal?

Thought not.

It's not a rational behavior anyway, birthed as it is more from insecurity, fear, and guilt than any logical consideration.

There's a wierd embattled mindset to the diehard GW fan that's not entirely dissimilar from that of Palladium fans, the end product of being hated and abused both by the company they claim to love, and the rest of folks who're no longer fans.  "I still love him, even though he beats me."

I think it also comes from that price point, from having spent such an ungodly amount of money on the things, and not wanting to admit that maybe that wasn't such a good idea, that the company they've poured thousands of dollars into would rather them dead, and the rest of the gaming community just sees them as patsies, too stupid to realize that their loyalty is given out foolishly.  

So they go apeshit over the slightest hint of suggestion that their golden calf might be tarnishing.  In several cases on RPGnet, unheilig and his posse even deliberately tried to get threads like these banned or shunted off to smaller forums where no one would read them.

It all sort of has the ring of the patriot in the totalitarian state.

Quote from: J ArcaneIt's not a rational behavior anyway, birthed as it is more from insecurity, fear, and guilt than any logical consideration.

There's a wierd embattled mindset to the diehard GW fan that's not entirely dissimilar from that of Palladium fans, the end product of being hated and abused both by the company they claim to love, and the rest of folks who're no longer fans.  "I still love him, even though he beats me."

I think it also comes from that price point, from having spent such an ungodly amount of money on the things, and not wanting to admit that maybe that wasn't such a good idea, that the company they've poured thousands of dollars into would rather them dead, and the rest of the gaming community just sees them as patsies, too stupid to realize that their loyalty is given out foolishly.  

So they go apeshit over the slightest hint of suggestion that their golden calf might be tarnishing.  In several cases on RPGnet, unheilig and his posse even deliberately tried to get threads like these banned or shunted off to smaller forums where no one would read them.

It all sort of has the ring of the patriot in the totalitarian state.

Yeah, being asked to bet my life savings on the outcome of a strategy GW are steadfastly refusing to employ is certainly one of the loonier challenges I've had online.

I've no idea what Erik's real beef is, but I'm pretty much done with him in this thread.

I note Erik is ignoring my points on business page and analyst's comments.

Erik has always had problems responding to inconvenient facts.

Quote from: BalbinusI note Erik is ignoring my points on business page and analyst's comments.

Erik has always had problems responding to inconvenient facts.

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The business pages of the IHT and the analysts advising shorting the stock, are they disgruntled fans also?  


Yeah, but do you think it would help to be nicer or sell RPGs or do any of the shit the AQs here think they should?

For instance:


Quote:
Like I said, there's a vast untapped market of ex-wargamers out there who GW aren't catering to.  


Bullshit.

Sorry dude, after a while you just get old and no one cares about you any more.

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I THINK GWs issues relate to the fact that they just arn't growing anything like as fast as they were when the Lord of the Rings stuff was doing really well on the back of the movies, and that they haven't grown in the US as fast as they have been promising for a while.

I don't think that this has anything to do with them ignoring whinging old ex fans or their SOP (the afore mentioned being bastards).

Quote from: BalbinusI note Erik is ignoring my points on business page and analyst's comments.

I think he's of the opinion that if everyone just shut up and let GW take care of business then it'll all work out somehow. Because of course, as "fans", we have nothing valuable to contribute whilst he does.

It's rare that I see someone trying so hard to stifle discussion, on a message board of all places.

Quote from: DrewBecause of course, as "fans", we have nothing valuable to contribute whilst he does.

If you think GW pushing roleplaying games would be a sensible business decision you don't have anything valuable to contribute.

Might as well rate the superhunks.

Quote from: DrewI think he's of the opinion that if everyone just shut up and let GW take care of business then it'll all work out somehow. Because of course, as "fans", we have nothing valuable to contribute whilst he does.

It's rare that I see someone trying so hard to stifle discussion, on a message board of all places.

It's what rpg.net banned him for, he did the exact same thing defending Cyberpunk v.3.

His credibility suffered, prior to his banning, when it came  out he was aggressively shouting down critics but hadn't actually seen the game yet.  He was making up stuff so he could defend it sight unseen.

Fuck knows why, it's just something he does.

Quote from: BalbinusIt's what rpg.net banned him for, he did the exact same thing defending Cyberpunk v.3.

His credibility suffered, prior to his banning, when it came  out he was aggressively shouting down critics but hadn't actually seen the game yet.  He was making up stuff so he could defend it sight unseen.

Fuck knows why, it's just something he does.

Some people just hate being told when they are obviously talking crap.

God dammit! Bloody Mike had been saying since bloody CP2020 stopped what he was going for with V3!

It is not my fault that some stupid people hadn't read the interviews, didn't understand them, thought Maximum Mike was lying, didn't buy anything for CP2020 after the core book, or exercised really goddam selective memory about what was in them.

Christ! I was right! I knew what I was talking about! I had done the research! I had followed developement with interest! I had tracked down available information and analysed it correctly! It does happen! Maybe not to you but it does!

Quote from: BalbinusIt's what rpg.net banned him for, he did the exact same thing defending Cyberpunk v.3.

His credibility suffered, prior to his banning, when it came  out he was aggressively shouting down critics but hadn't actually seen the game yet.  He was making up stuff so he could defend it sight unseen.

Fuck knows why, it's just something he does.

I just ran a search on his name in Trouble Tickets.

Hoo shit, now I get it.

Quote from: J ArcaneSo they go apeshit over the slightest hint of suggestion that their golden calf might be tarnishing.  In several cases on RPGnet, unheilig and his posse even deliberately tried to get threads like these banned or shunted off to smaller forums where no one would read them.

It all sort of has the ring of the patriot in the totalitarian state.

Okay, that's a bit of bullshit right there.  Unhelig went off GW and even anti GW for a whole month and a half once.    I wish I'd bookmarked the damn thing.  I think he's right to be pissed off at people with nothing better to do than thread crap on fan discussions.

I mean, I've probably got $2500 in GW product and if someone starts a "Should I Get Into Warhammer" thread I'll be first in line to say "Not if you're sane or financially responsible."  Having just started a new Bretonian army I can't claim to be either.  (I should've gone Bretonian a long time ago)  'lig got pissed at me many times for suggesting cheap alternative lines of miniatures too.

But all told, I can't blame any fan who hates thread crapping in fan threads.  I mean, if someone asks if they should play D&D or HARP or writes an extended rant on why people who hate D&D (like myself, good grief and people accuse GW of being evil!) are all wrong minded infidels.  Hell yes, I'll post a scathingly silly over reaction.  But if guys are talking about the game and such.  Nope, I try not to do that.  It's rude.