Now, thanks for your attention. As some of you might already know, I have huge problems with the recent and encroaching changes of atmosphere and actual rules application on theRPGsite.

I always postulated that any bannings that are not based on self-evident and unequivocal (read: illegal) wrongdoings are wrong and hurt the climate of the site.

I harshly argumented against the ban of CavScout and WalkerP before, and I postulated these were the first steps unto a very slippery slope.

Now, as with so many things, I have sadly been proven to be correct.

Just look at the current climate of this site:

Quote"Full of bitchyass femnazis"

Woohoo, first Dominus Nox, the CavScout, now this guy.

Can we just save ourselves the six months of drama and ban him now?

In the thread were a new user, Jim Profit, makes his rather creative entrée.

I´m 100% certain, that Kyle was 100% serious about what he said.

Pundit, is THIS what you wanted?

1) Now there is a "we", that´s wrong for starters.

2) But then "we" have thought crimes!

3) And "we" have "regulars" that proclaim who is fit and who´s not for posting, along with a popularity contest to find out who may stay and be obnoxious, and who´s kicked for being obnoxious.

EDIT: I have noticed more instances of such behaviour, from many people. It´s an overall change. For example, Abyssal Maw was threatened with a ban too.

Ah yes the title:

There´s a new offense here at theRPGSite, and that´s "disruption". I think the climate perpetuated by, for example, Kyle Aaron is disrupting behaviour, disrupting the very foundations on which theRPGsite has been build: free and open discussion of RPGs.

I hope you see were this is going.

Quote from: Settembrini;296083EDIT: I have noticed more instances of such behaviour, from many people. It´s an overall change. For example, Abyssal Maw was threatened with a ban too.

Where was he threatened ?

Edit: And did you put up a fight for Fritz, too? And Jackalope ?

Regards,
David R

IIRC, I fought for everyone of them. Mabye not Cavscout actually, because that´s when I already had left. But I definitely checked in some while ago, saw another banning and spoke out against it. So let´s say I fought for everyone as long as I was there.

But Fritzs I remember defending, And I hate that guy with a passion!

IIRC AM was threatened in one of the 4e-shitburger-threads, I´d say it was Stuart who did it. I might be able to find that one, if you don´t believe me.

Oh, and there have generallyy been poisonous remarks since the bannings came quicker and faster, even by mods like OneHorseTown.

I don't believe you Sett. I know of the socalled ban threat/exchange between AM and OHT you are refering to. Anyone can look it up and see, how you are taking things out of context. Christ, it wasn't even a threat. If you got any other evidence of rampant ModThuggery, please share.

Regards,
David R

Well, what means "you don´t believe me" in that context?

That such things do not exist?

Well, what about what Kyle Aaron just said? You believe me he said that, do you? OK, then let´s start from there. I think it´s wrong in many several ways. I do think it´s not the first time someone said something like this. Do you want to argue against that?

EDIT: Another pointer to the changed atmosphere. http://www.therpgsite.com/showpost.php?p=290835&postcount=51, and it was stuart.

I agree with Sett in the spirit of what he's trying to say of not the exact way he's saying it.
I am all for lifting all of the bans.
The main problem with each one of the posters mentioned is that other posters can't simply scroll on past them and keep on keepin on.

Quote from: Settembrini;2960833) And "we" have "regulars" that proclaim who is fit and who´s not for posting, along with a popularity contest to find out who may stay and be obnoxious, and who´s kicked for being obnoxious.

Welcome to "society".  I am sure "you" have it in Germany, too.  It means that after a certain size, an agreement on behaviour coalesces, often unwritten.  Don't shit on your neighbour's carpet, for example.

We aren't 4chan, but we aren't tBP either.  theRPGsite sits comfortably in the happy medium.  I am content with that, because it means I don't have to read inchoate ramblings by internet tough guys who are only searching for forums to disrupt to get their kicks, but I can still call a cockslobbering douchebag when they earn the title.

So, go out and start your own forum where any pedophile can troll for victims, and illegal filesharing is rampant.  Proboards is a good place to start, if you don't want to get a domain.  Let me know how long that lasts for you.

QuoteI agree with Sett in the spirit of what he's trying to say of not the exact way he's saying it.

Would that be in the 'you're full of shit, but I still love you man' kind of way
or the 'I totally agree but don't want to become tarnished by the crazy brush too' kind of way or even the 'I have no fucking idea but I love a pissing contest' kind of way?? This is the RPGsite...you gotta be exact, bitches.

For me -and strictly speaking for me, here- Freedom comes with responsibilities.

When some posters are not responsible, act consistently like douches, endlessly provoke fights instead of discussing ideas, and are just plain assholes, they open themselves to sanction.

That is a consequence of their actions, not Pundit's. Otherwise, that's just anarchy with just a handful of dickheads hijacking all discussion threads. At some point, as an admin/mod (and yes, I have some XP in the field), you've got to make a very practical choice at one point of where, exactly, you draw the line of free speech.

If you think there doesn't ever need to be a line, I encourage you to create your own forums, Sett, and experiment.

Quote from: Kellri;296100Would that be in the 'you're full of shit, but I still love you man' kind of way
or the 'I totally agree but don't want to become tarnished by the crazy brush too' kind of way or even the 'I have no fucking idea but I love a pissing contest' kind of way?? This is the RPGsite...you gotta be exact, bitches.

I am the crazy brush, sweetheart.

Aos, how would you say it?

Oh, and BTW: If Pundit comes to this thread and tells me:

"It´s exactly the climate I want to have.", then the discussion is moot.


 I´m operating under the assumption Pundit actually does not like such a climate.

Quote from: Settembrini;296105Aos, how would you say it?

Mainly I wouldn't bother invoking Stuart or Kyle. There isn't really any forum wide groupthink. There are just clusters of users who either want to see more bannings, or those who think there should be less- or as in my case, none.

I admit I've changed my view on this since the Dominus nox time. I've also gotten really good at ignoring people- without using an IL.

Are you saying I should ban Kyle, Sett?

And no, the type of environment you describe is one I would not like to have. I just don't believe that theRPGsite has that environment, the one that's in your mind. We've picked off some trolls who were here in bad faith, and in your mind that makes it the Stazi all over again.

Its not. If someone was really threatening Abyssal Maw with banning or suggesting that I might ban him, they're fucking retards.

As for Jim Profit, he's apparently a well-known troll who managed to get himself banned from 4chan, of all things. Which has no bearing whatsoever on whether he'll be banned here or not, except that certain people expect him to repeat the same kind of actions and get banned here too.
Note that thus far he's talked about "feminazis" and made roundabout pussy-like insinuations about how he'd like to go postal on WoTC headquarters, and while the latter got him a serious bitchslapping from me for him being such a retard, neither of those have gotten him banned.  Which kind of proves this place is not, and is at little risk of becoming, the Orwellian nightmare that you expect it to.

And yes, you're right, I'm sure Kyle meant it too. He's made it obvious that he's a control freak with crypto-fascistic tendencies who desperately would like to be in charge of how things are done in this site, and if he was would be wallowing in his petty power like a pig in slop, banning all he felt was unworthy of his presence.
But he's not in power. He doesn't even have influence, because on these sorts of things I mostly consider him to be something of a prick, and he's pretty well the last person I would confer with on these matters.  No matter how much he might like it, he will never ever be as much as a mod here.

So really, he's just a guy exercising his free speech. Which brings us back to the question of what would you have me do to him?

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