Nobody here is in the position to make any remarks like the two above.

Nobody decides, because everyone may talk freely.

It starts to smell like high school politics invading again.

I am against banning Lev.

Quote from: jrientsI am against banning Lev.

I would support the banning of banning Lev (threads)?


Seriously though, he didn't seem all that bad to me...I can only see what he posted on this site...

In other words: let the villagers with their torches and hounds suss him out.

Quote from: SettembriniNobody here is in the position to make any remarks like the two above.

Nobody decides, because everyone may talk freely.

Cool and all but Pundy seemed set to ban at the start of the thread and asked the forumites. I don't personally think he should at all but I don't wield a spiked bat of justice.

Quote from: SettembriniDon´t get me wrong:
All Lev deserves is a rhetorical kick in the ass, as he is full of shit. No need to apologize to him.

Repent you must, for even thinking in the Mod-Mindset!
Atone for the the first step to fascism!

Solve the moral quandarie yourself, but don´t place yourself in the place of a reluctant martyr, free speech must be granted like a duck takes to water. Not some royal favor you grant or deny, as your mood sees fit.

The first reaction to any poster must always be: let him speak!

And not: "I´m just not banning you to show how cool and aloof I am." In my eyes, you don´t even have the right to ban anyone (Spambots obviously excluded).


You might have the ability, but no right whatsoever. Even thinking about it betrays the whole fabric of free speech. Repent!

By your logic, we should never ban any spambots either.

RPGPundit

Quote from: StumpydaveIf you're going to ban someone, have a better reason than you disagree with him, or you think he's here on a revenge kick.

As Jimbob said, he'll either contribute with rpg stuff, contribute with nox style rambling which is always good for a laugh, or get bored and disappear.

Failing all of that make me a mod and I'll abuse my position with glee and abandon. ( oh yeah, and I'll ban Lev - leaving your hands clean - nudge, nudge, wink, wink).

You might feel differently about that if, say, R.Bumquist HatesPundit came on here and started several threads a day on every forum about attacking me, and derailed every thread he could find with defenses of Forge Theory or digs at my person.

See, it wouldn't be about me, the reason for banning him (there's plenty of people who hate me on here, and I haven't banned ANY of them, because they keep their hate relatively in check and are also here to contribute) it would be about making the site unreadable.

RPGPundit

QuoteBy your logic, we should never ban any spambots either.

Reductio ad absurdum.

You know very well that you made a moral mistake, a mis-step, if you will.
But again, Pundit is never wrong, never apologizes, yada, yada, yada.

I fail to see how a policy consultation can possibly be a mis-step. If I had outright banned the guy, you might have some ground for accusing me of a "mis-step"... but are you saying you'd rather I didn't check with the userbase before making decisions anymore?

RPGPundit

No.
I´m saying:
Just thinking of banning Lev was a sin against the concept freedom.
For defending freedom, you don´t need to check the userbase ever.

Quote from: SettembriniNo.
I´m saying:
Just thinking of banning Lev was a sin against the concept freedom.
For defending freedom, you don´t need to check the userbase ever.

If he was the inhuman avatar of Great Justice, maybe.

Quote from: RPGPunditthere's plenty of people who hate me on here

Awww – I don't hate you, Bandit. Come and join my party and we'll play some D&D or something.

Quote from: SettembriniJust thinking of banning Lev was a sin against the concept freedom.

Just thinking is a sin? That's extremely Catholic of you! Don't be ridiculous - thinking is never a sin. Only actions can be sinful. And banning someone from a forum barely even registers as an "action". It has a trivial effect on their life.

Quote from: SettembriniFor defending freedom, you don´t need to check the userbase ever.

Defending freedom? Is that his job here? Ridiculous! His job here is to provide a place to talk about rpgs, and to encourage that rpg talk. Nothing else.

He's a moderator on a little message board, Settembrini. Get a sense of proportion, you mad Prussian. Any more irrelevant and hysterical talk of "freedom" and people will start mistaking you for an American!

"You can take our posts, you can ban our user names, but you can never take OUR FREEDOM!

Settembriniheart, in theaters July 4th, 2008

Sorry, Settembrini, but I have no intention of apologizing for anything.  And, to top it off, I can almost certainly (sadly) guarantee that sooner or later I WILL ban someone who will one day come here with the sole intent of attacking this site or particular users of this site, who have no intention or desire to contribute positively here and are only here to disrupt the workings of the site akin to the way a spambot would (only worse, because they'd be far more thorough about it).  

I wouldn't be happy about having to do so, but I have said I would do that if the scenario occured, I have said that from the very beginning.  And, again, I probably will consult with the users before doing so, though I don't guarantee it.

So really, if you want this to be your own personal Alamo, and leave the site or what have you, I guess that would be your choice; I for one would be very sad to see you go, especially since absolutely nothing of the sort has happened yet.

RPGPundit

Quote from: SettembriniNo.
I´m saying:
Just thinking of banning Lev was a sin against the concept freedom.
For defending freedom, you don´t need to check the userbase ever.

I think that before any banning takes place, we should be asked for our opinions on it. Banning someone whose sole aim is the disruption of this site is guarding our freedom, not some "sin" against that particular concept.