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Why Has D&D Been Such an Easy Target for Cultural Marxists?

Started by Trond, October 16, 2023, 12:53:06 PM

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Trond

This video goes straight to a topic that I have asked many times. I think he misses the mark a bit as to how far back it became a serious issue. I'd say well before 2016. TTRPGs were an early victim in the SJW takeover.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOw8QeSdgoA

Kiero

RPGnet was turning leftard in 2005, the signs were plain to see long before 2016. D&D was an easy target, nerds aren't the most socially adept people and anyone taking an interest in this obscure hobby is often welcomed without questioning their motives.
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Scooter

I wasn't on places like RPGNet back then (1998 - 2015. Too busy playing and lots of hours working.  It never showed up in games because I didn't have any libtards in my RL groups.  Or, if there were a couple they didn't say anything. 
There is no saving throw vs. stupidity

oggsmash

Quote from: Trond on October 16, 2023, 12:53:06 PM
This video goes straight to a topic that I have asked many times. I think he misses the mark a bit as to how far back it became a serious issue. I'd say well before 2016. TTRPGs were an early victim in the SJW takeover.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOw8QeSdgoA

  It was already pretty noticeable in places like RPGnet before 2016.  I got kicked off a thread there for having the audacity to say men were stronger than women on a thread calling Gygax the worse sexist in history for having different stat maxes for the sexes.  BUT once Trump rolled down that escalator...these people lost their freaking mind.   I think their number one mission became to hunt and root out all wrong think and stop the madness of a man suggesting we enforce our borders before all was lost. 

Scooter

Quote from: oggsmash on October 17, 2023, 09:49:21 AM
  It was already pretty noticeable in places like RPGnet before 2016.  I got kicked off a thread there for having the audacity to say men were stronger than women on a thread calling Gygax the worse sexist in history for having different stat maxes for the sexes. 

I do remember seeing that thread necro'ed about 5-6 years ago.  I was amazed at the complete anti-reality psycho's over there.
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Trond

Quote from: Scooter on October 17, 2023, 09:54:44 AM
Quote from: oggsmash on October 17, 2023, 09:49:21 AM
  It was already pretty noticeable in places like RPGnet before 2016.  I got kicked off a thread there for having the audacity to say men were stronger than women on a thread calling Gygax the worse sexist in history for having different stat maxes for the sexes. 

I do remember seeing that thread necro'ed about 5-6 years ago.  I was amazed at the complete anti-reality psycho's over there.

Imagine thinking this was an appropriate announcement by the moderator:
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Jason Coplen

I'd like to say their life is pretend, so a game where they can virtue signal and all that is right up their alley. It's sad.
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Exploderwizard

I was perma-banned from rpg.net back around 2011 for wrongthink. I don't remember the actual thread but I think my crime was for pointing out that games with the objective of play being story creation were different than traditional tabletop rpgs. THE HORROR!  I didn't even make any disparaging remarks, merely pointed out that they were different and I guess the mods blew a fuse. I haven't been back since. It must be 10-15 times worse now in the post TDS era.
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Trond

Quote from: Exploderwizard on October 17, 2023, 12:24:15 PM
I was perma-banned from rpg.net back around 2011 for wrongthink. I don't remember the actual thread but I think my crime was for pointing out that games with the objective of play being story creation were different than traditional tabletop rpgs. THE HORROR!  I didn't even make any disparaging remarks, merely pointed out that they were different and I guess the mods blew a fuse. I haven't been back since. It must be 10-15 times worse now in the post TDS era.

Are you sure you didn't say this about some sort of feminist game? Because I remember a LOT of people could not keep up with their radical feminism around that time, and they were being bullied and banned left and right.

Ratman_tf

I don't think D&D has been especially easy. It all started to manifest in culture about that time. We noticed D&D and RPGs because we're gamers.
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Exploderwizard

Quote from: Trond on October 17, 2023, 03:05:53 PM
Quote from: Exploderwizard on October 17, 2023, 12:24:15 PM
I was perma-banned from rpg.net back around 2011 for wrongthink. I don't remember the actual thread but I think my crime was for pointing out that games with the objective of play being story creation were different than traditional tabletop rpgs. THE HORROR!  I didn't even make any disparaging remarks, merely pointed out that they were different and I guess the mods blew a fuse. I haven't been back since. It must be 10-15 times worse now in the post TDS era.

Are you sure you didn't say this about some sort of feminist game? Because I remember a LOT of people could not keep up with their radical feminism around that time, and they were being bullied and banned left and right.

No, nothing to do with feminism, just some jackhole who asserted that ALL rpgs were created to create collaborative stories and the GM and players are co-authors and the hive mind all followed in quick agreement. I dared to disagree and out I went.
Quote from: JonWakeGamers, as a whole, are much like primitive cavemen when confronted with a new game. Rather than \'oh, neat, what\'s this do?\', the reaction is to decide if it\'s a sex hole, then hit it with a rock.

Quote from: Old Geezer;724252At some point it seems like D&D is going to disappear up its own ass.

Quote from: Kyle Aaron;766997In the randomness of the dice lies the seed for the great oak of creativity and fun. The great virtue of the dice is that they come without boxed text.

Trond

Quote from: Ratman_tf on October 17, 2023, 04:03:06 PM
I don't think D&D has been especially easy. It all started to manifest in culture about that time. We noticed D&D and RPGs because we're gamers.

I'm not so sure. TTRPG discussions seemed to go bonkers pretty early. Myself and several others remember a near complete takeover around 2010. But when was the first time it was noticeable in the printed products? Not sure here.

Zelen

RPGs are a venue of escapism and they generally attract a lot of social misfits. Resentment and envy are pretty common among people who feel like they "don't fit in." Combine that with normal status-seeking types of behavior and what you get are a lot of petty, dysfunctional people attaining prominence just because it's this kind of alternative social hierarchy.

jhkim

Quote from: Trond on October 17, 2023, 06:03:04 PM
Quote from: Ratman_tf on October 17, 2023, 04:03:06 PM
I don't think D&D has been especially easy. It all started to manifest in culture about that time. We noticed D&D and RPGs because we're gamers.

I'm not so sure. TTRPG discussions seemed to go bonkers pretty early. Myself and several others remember a near complete takeover around 2010. But when was the first time it was noticeable in the printed products? Not sure here.

There's a major difference between online TTRPG discussions and how TTRPGs are actually played. Online communities tend to skew more left than the U.S. population as a whole, and I suspect the same is true for online RPG communities and in-person RPG communities.

Also, the video from the OP talks about RPGs like heroin as if the RPGs are twisting people -- but I don't buy that. RPGs are terrible at mind control, because 90% of playing an RPG isn't from the game book - it's from the GM and the players. If the game doesn't fit their preferences and values, they'll pick a different RPG.

So I agree with Ratman_tf. TTRPGers are just reflecting the same political polarization that has swept up all the rest of culture.

GeekyBugle

Quote from: jhkim on October 18, 2023, 01:11:43 AM
Quote from: Trond on October 17, 2023, 06:03:04 PM
Quote from: Ratman_tf on October 17, 2023, 04:03:06 PM
I don't think D&D has been especially easy. It all started to manifest in culture about that time. We noticed D&D and RPGs because we're gamers.

I'm not so sure. TTRPG discussions seemed to go bonkers pretty early. Myself and several others remember a near complete takeover around 2010. But when was the first time it was noticeable in the printed products? Not sure here.

There's a major difference between online TTRPG discussions and how TTRPGs are actually played. Online communities tend to skew more left than the U.S. population as a whole, and I suspect the same is true for online RPG communities and in-person RPG communities.

Also, the video from the OP talks about RPGs like heroin as if the RPGs are twisting people -- but I don't buy that. RPGs are terrible at mind control, because 90% of playing an RPG isn't from the game book - it's from the GM and the players. If the game doesn't fit their preferences and values, they'll pick a different RPG.

So I agree with Ratman_tf. TTRPGers are just reflecting the same political polarization that has swept up all the rest of culture.

Heavily moderated online "communities" tend left harder.

Even Far Right Salon agrees with me, leftist ideas are so popular they have to force it down your throat at gun point. https://www.salon.com/2019/08/05/why-unmoderated-online-forums-always-degenerate-into-fascism/

Free of jackboot liking leftist moderators an online "community" will become more right wing, because we're the side of reason, science, common sense and human decency.
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